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Reply #30 - Feb 7th, 2005 at 3:19am

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James, Simulators are like woman, you either like them or you don't, debatting that is academical Smiley
BTW, it's not quite fair to say I would not see the bugs in "3", that's just not true. I'm no blind idiot you know? Wink
Bear's commends on CFS4 being based on 3 is not just hypotetical past time talk, it's based on reality.
We've both been in the projected CFS4 beta tester team and what we've been allowed to see from "4" (based on the CFS3 engine with numerous bug fixes and feature improvements) before they pulled the plug on it was truely stunning.
Your commends on the CFS2 v. CFS3 flight models is plain nonsense unless you believe the FS2000 flight engine is superior to the FS2002 engine.
Not talking about subjective "how does it feel" impressions but about underlaying code.
I agree the stock flightmodels have a strange gamey "feel", (although the profs say they are closer to the numbers than the stock CFS2 birds but who is flying stock anyway huh?
Thought you know that Smiley
Telling what has and what has not been developed in 5 years of CFS2 is an indicator for what?
BTW, as I've pointed out before (and Bear too) we both had our fair amount of contribution to "2" as well if you bother to remember (for the case you where allready around back then), quite a couple of the CFS2 third party planes come from our hangars, you know, so your rant goes really towards the wrong adress.Wink
 

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Reply #31 - Feb 7th, 2005 at 4:32am

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>>>What bother me is you insinuation that since their probably wont be a development of CFS4. We should send all our request  wishes to  the CFS3  developers.<<<

Its not an insinuation - its a fact, there will be NO CFS4.  Its cancelled and a lot of the development guys are no longer on the payroll & the rest are doing other things.

That being said had there been a CFS4 released its was to a build on of CFS3 which got as far as an pre alpha build.  Last time I posted any screen shots I got my wrist slapped so y'all will have to take my word for it or track down some old forum messages. 8)

If you want a CFS4 look a like if would logically have to be built on the platform that CFS4 was being built on CFS3 not CFS2

>>>In other words we should substitude CFS2 for CFS3. Make all our request to CFS3 developers and make CFS3 into our own CFS4. Now I thought that was a Insult <<<

Whatever - as I said anytime you post to a forum somebody looking to get insulted will find something to get insulted about. Sad   

But the thing is CFS4 was basically CFS3 + new stuff not CFS2 + new stuff.


>>>It will never replace CFS2. Maybe just maybe we member of the CFS2 forum would like to convert CFS2 into CFS4 instead.<<<

See above & good luck in you quest.  Its interesting to note that your arguments read like they were copied from the CFS2 sucks - CFS1 forever threads of 5 years or so back.

>>>The thing that bother me about you is not that you promote CFS3 but that you and Mathias never admit that CFS3 has many short commings as well.<<<

If CFS3 did not have faults we would not be in the business of improving it - then again if CFS2 did not have faults we would not have been in the business of improving it either. 

Many of us have flight sim experience going back well over 15 years & every time a new sim comes out its the same old story.  But guess what each one has faded out at some point in time & new ones have replaced them.

The guys who have a problem with that are generally short on the hardware curve.

>>>I understand that that in many ways CFS3 is a better program but to say that is completely superior is nonsense.<<<

If you say do.

>>> I will not give up CFS2 for the Pacific Fighter program at this time.<<<

I am sure the Pacific Fighters guys are very sad to hear that Grin

>>>Where can we Simulate World war one or the Spanish Civil war. Perhaps create our own Easter Front Theater from the Polish campaign to Berlin 1945.<<<

Have y'all seen the CFS3 WWI terrain including buildings, trenches, no mans land & aircraft in the "OFF" add-on

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I would put some shots up of the "Dogpatch" guys Korean war theater add-on including Sabers, Migs, Spads & Yaks but this post is pretty long now.

Come to think of it even though they served in Korea I don't think the Spads were called Spads till Viet Nam.  Another theater? Wink

>>>We now can recreate the Night Bombing by the  British Bomber Command with the help of Stiz Sceneries and search lights soon to be available.<<<

Nice to hear - Mathias developed CFS3 search-lights last year.

>>>Can you claim to have build basically all the Significant planes involve in World two . I guess not.<<<

All? - nope, not all - Over 100 of them so far?  Yes

>>>Were is the World map were I can place the few Russian and Japanese planes available for CFS3.<<<

As you know there & as I have stated before is no world map for CFS3.

There are more then a few Japanese & Russian aircraft available.  Our modest site has 11 by itself. There is even a nice collection of Italian aircraft on our site; 8 or 9 if memory serves

>>>You say the flight Models are better . I defer from that comment. I have flown Cfs2 and CFS3 and the planes feel more real than they ever felt in CFS3.<<<

I would just have to respectfully say that y'all don't have a clue about evaluating flight models & leave it at that.

Well maybe just one more thing, I would also categorically state y'all do not have the tools available to determine what is happening inside the flight model real time which is required to do the analysis.

>>>This are just a few examples of its short commings. But overall CFS3 cannot and will not replace all of what CFS2 can do for the World two combat Simulator world.<<<

Y'all got a world map we have theater maps. Can't see what difference that makes unless you are going to bomb Tokyo from Archbury.

>>>>They are both different and good Simulator. Just accept it . It would be better for us to join forces instead and try to make both this wonderful Simulator better.<<<<
 
I missed the part where I said CFS2 was a bad simulator - what I said was CFS4 was to be an extension of CFS3 & I believe CFS3 is a better platform to developed a home made CFS4.  A lot of extremely talented former CFS2 developers agree with me.  Y'all seem to be the one with in denial.

Why would I get offended you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

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Reply #32 - Feb 7th, 2005 at 4:45am

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[quote author=AvHistory link=board=cfs2;num=1106055696;start=30#31 date=02/07/05 at 04:32:39
Nice to hear - Mathias developed CFS3 search-lights last year.

BEAR [/quote]
Sorry, have to correct you there, that was two years ago Wink
 

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Reply #33 - Feb 7th, 2005 at 8:43am

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Oops its 2005 not 2004.  Looks like I am living in the past.  Seems like this is a good thread for that  Wink

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Reply #34 - Feb 7th, 2005 at 9:11am

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>>>What bother me is you insinuation that since their probably wont be a development of CFS4. We should send all our request  wishes to  the CFS3  developers.<<<

Yep I agree. If they're not motivated to make a CFS4 then they won't make it, how 'bout a CFS4 combined out of the good things in all the CFSs and as many bad things removed as possible, and we should get the CFS1 and 2 designers onto it as well Shocked.
 

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Reply #35 - Feb 7th, 2005 at 12:21pm

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I think y'all are missing some of Mathias & my point.  

CFS & CFS2 share the same basic game engine & have a lot of commonality in the fact you can put CFS planes into CFS2.  They tend to be a little over modeled when you do but they will fly in the game. You can use the same general tools to build planes for each

CFS3 has a new game engine & the aircraft are not compatible with CFS or CFS2.

Mathias put it pretty well...look at where CFS & CFS2 are after all these years of development by some pretty dedicated guys.  Most of the things you don't have, like usable gun turrets, you will never have because the CFS/CFS2 software just can't support them.

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Reply #36 - Feb 7th, 2005 at 5:11pm

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Guys,

This is turning into a mud-slinging match!

James, out of curiosity (I'm not trying to be ugly here), have you ever developed/ created anything for CFS2?

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Have y'all seen the CFS3 WWI terrain including buildings, trenches, no mans land & aircraft in the "OFF" add-on


Wow Bear, those are some amazing shot's 8)

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Reply #37 - Feb 9th, 2005 at 2:58am

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Those shots are great... Wish I had CFS3 Cry
 

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Reply #38 - Feb 9th, 2005 at 1:51pm

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Hey Guys I'm sorry it took me a few days to repond . I was busy and I had my kids using the PC all the time.

First of all, I want to thank Mathias for his responese to my question on MAW. It would bee a shame Mathias if you  could not incorporate a Historical dynamic campaign into MAW.

AvBear that was a great post. Most of the things that you mention I already knew. Never the less some of the information was refreashing.

You now what I like about you is your Passion about this program. Its refreashing to see such passion.

I also want to thank all developers of all three CFS's. You guys have made all three games much more enjoyable for all of us.

Ever since I was a kid, I have been interested in World war two, Especially World war two Aviation. I use to have over 40 airplanes models. I had a model from every major participant of that war.

With time and the discovery of the Ladies, I donated them all to my church.

Thanks to this programs I have been able to relive my youth.

To answer Stratobat no I am not a developer. But I do have a passion for this hooby like you do. Unfortunualy I do not have the  talent to program PC like you guys have.

In Word war two most pilot dids not know how to fix mechanical problems with the planes they flew. Only the mechanics did. Together they became a team that won the war.

I do like progress Av Bear. I have never been against it . Thats like a refusing a raise in your Job. Its simply foolish.

What I meant and you should understand is that CFS2 give us a different flexability and feeling to our Sim experience than CFS3 can never give us.

You can say the same thing about CFS3. Yes CFS2 with all its limitations is ahead not quality but in quantative. Thats why a said CFS2 is simply Better at this time.

I have nothing against CFS3. Why should I. I do not beleive that any one Simulator can give us the total World war two experience.

They all have their short commings and virtual. I like to fly in several different ones for the different feeling they give me. I fly in EAW to CFS1 to CFS3. I have the whole IL-2 series. FB ACE PT as well. They are all excellent programs.

My feeling has always been that we all love World war aviation. Their should not be animosity between us.

I do not think Ubi is our enemy nor are we Theirs. I  have read many negative things said on their forum about CFS2 and 3.

PS I have always defended the developers of this programs in their forum.

I have read some in the in the CFS2 and 3 forum as well. If someone  thinks their program is better thats OK, lets just keep improving our programs.

AvBear keep developing CFS3 and lets continue improving CFS2 as well. Lets keep it a competative enviroment where we can improve our programs for the benefit of all.

Lets remember it was not the P51 that won the war over Europe. It was the P51 and the P47 that did it. Between them we won the war. The P51 had their quality and usefullness and the P47 had theirs. Between them they  made a unbeatable team.

Bombardier I highly recommend you buy CFS3 so you can increase your Sim experience. Its a very good program and especially after the improvements made by their developers. They are available in this and other Web sites. Their is no reason you can not  fly in both Simulators. It would only enrich your enjoyment.

Happy Hunting Guys

Thank you
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Reply #39 - Feb 9th, 2005 at 2:01pm

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This is what i think:

CFS2 out of the box = arrg to bright i need shades.
CFS2 modded = A truly awesome flight sim

CFS3 out of the box = binned untill further notice
CSF3 modded = Yea getting better....slowly
MAW, OFF and a bit of CFS3 =  Shocked outsanding

Nobody likes what comes outa the box but when it's been modded to kindom com and back its great. Cfs2 has reached that stage where as CFS3 hasn't. Thus CFS2 is the better sim.......for now.......

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Reply #40 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 7:10am

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Hi Stiz

CFS1 and 2 are like brothers. But CFS3 is an only child. No other combat sims are based on the CFS3 engine.

Sure, CFS3 might be good, with more features. But you can't import or export from it, so that's why CFS2 is usualy counted as the 'better sim'.

CFS2/1 designers with CFS3 on their PC should do a bit of CFS3 designing, because if you've got something for CFS1 or 2 you can use it in the brother combat sim (I even used a CFS2 Swordfish in FS2002 Pro, hehehe Cheesy), but with CFS3 you can only use your CFS3 addons in CFS3. Result? More use out of a CFS1 or 2 addon, less use out of a CFS3 addon.

DEFINATLY NOT saying all CFS2 designers should nuke CFS2 out of their hard drive and burn the CDs Cry and just start doing 40 GB of CFS3 addons, but just do a bit more CFS3 if they have it.

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Reply #41 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 7:15am

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but who is flying stock anyway huh?
Thought you know that Smiley

With the CFS2 stock given a nav panel or something it's actualy pretty neat. But I couldn't live without addons Undecided, lol! Grin
 

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Reply #42 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 10:07am

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Who cares if cfs4 is non-existent? Is it a crime to imagine/dream?

Anyway, what I want is being able to:
1. aim guns in bombers (like in cfs3)
2. ram other aircraft, not just die immediately.
3. dynamic explosions
4. dynamic building collapses (in cfs2 you put ten 30mm rounds into a water tower and it just dissapears in a puff of dust)
5. smarter AI (like bombers that actually drop bombs!)
6. being able to kill people in other aircraft without downing the plane (like in cfs3)
7. ANIMATED people on the ground (so you can strafe the hell out of people)
8. voice recognition for radio coms (o.k, maybe I'm starting to dream now Grin)
9. more radio commands (like being able to scream at people when they get in your way)
10. seeing people bounce when they bail out and their 'chutes dont open  Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #43 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 5:42pm

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(I even used a CFS2 Swordfish in FS2002 Pro, hehehe Cheesy), but with CFS3 you can only use your CFS3 addons in CFS3. Result? More use out of a CFS1 or 2 addon, less use out of a CFS3 addon.

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Gee bombardier, that is probably my Swordfish.
Little hint, we made a version for FS2002 as well, available here at Simviation or at our homepage Smiley
BTW, it's now flying in CFS3 as well Cheesy

 

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Reply #44 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 7:19pm

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Who cares if cfs4 is non-existent? Is it a crime to imagine/dream?

Anyway, what I want is being able to:
1. aim guns in bombers (like in cfs3)
2. ram other aircraft, not just die immediately.
3. dynamic explosions
4. dynamic building collapses (in cfs2 you put ten 30mm rounds into a water tower and it just dissapears in a puff of dust)
5. smarter AI (like bombers that actually drop bombs!)
6. being able to kill people in other aircraft without downing the plane (like in cfs3)
7. ANIMATED people on the ground (so you can strafe the hell out of people)
8. voice recognition for radio coms (o.k, maybe I'm starting to dream now Grin)
9. more radio commands (like being able to scream at people when they get in your way)
10. seeing people bounce when they bail out and their 'chutes dont open  Grin Grin Grin

Akula

CFS3 does almost all of those... Wink
 

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