Good point but CFS3 dosen't "feel" that real to me. Even with WMs scenery and Fox's effects etc. CFS2 has the feel of what it might have been like in WW2....WW1...Korea etc. Also dare i say it.......CFS2 has more...depth...then CFS3.

I can aggree that in 2-4 years time CFS3 will be a smashing sim but not at this present moment in time.

Guess its just a matter of opion though.

Stiz

CFS3 has always looked awful on my system.  I can barely run it at 800X600 16Bit and then I get choppy frame rates and mini-freezes when I fire my guns.

I need a new system lol.

CFS2 on the other hand has an annoying mission system in that if you fail to shoot down a ridiculous number of enemy A/C you fail the mission.  You have to perfom like David McCampbell (USN Ret) on a good day everytime you take off.  The CFS3 system is far better in that your Wingmens victories count towards mission goals.

What I would like to see for CFS4 is the entire world modelled like the FS world.  You select the date and the combat type is adjusted by the date.  It would cover from the first military a/c in about 1912 up to modern computer controlled systems.  Using the CFS3 campaign system it would be easier to simulate Pattons assault on Soviet Russia in 1945, or the aftermath of the nuclear conflict in Korea in 1955.

Will

This might be of interest.

http://www.medairwar.com

Will Hunter speaking of the MAW project:

Oh, it is much, much more than an addon. It is a whole new combat flight sim. A stand alone, separate installation to your original ETO CFS3. A completely new theatre and that already looks far superior to the old CFS3 scenery. Some of the best quality 3D Max modellers in the world are building for it. I reckon at the time of release there will be fifty or more new aircraft, at least. All of them will have the lastest upgraded 1% flight dynamics and damage models from those 'experten' at AvHistory.

Fox is making the best visual FX I've ever seen. You should see his sand storms!

At the moment there are lots of ground facilities appearing. Many realistic buildings and even stuff like Bedouin tents with rugs. I've seen pictures of The Grand Harbour at Valetta in Malta that are mouth watering.

There will be flocks of birds in MAW. Soldiers in shorts rolling cigarettes, fighting battles, dropping by parachute out of Ju52s or Dakotas. Male and female civilians walking around, carts pulled by donkeys and horses, mules working treadmills. Farms with cows, (Frisian breed in Southern Europe, Kuri longhorn breed in North Africa) sheep, pigs, goats, wells, windmills, people riding bicycles and motor bikes, driving trucks, cars, tanks which the player will be able to drive as well. You will be able to 'drive' British, German, Italian, and American motor torpedo boats and fight battles on the Mediterranean Sea with torps, depth charges and guns. Yep, you can even try and sink the submarines! (Thanks to Greg Law who has already contributed an extraordinary amount of of things for MAW and just keeps 'pulling more and more rabbits out of his hat'.

Hopefully we'll be able to get farm animals animated so they will scatter like real livestock if you fly low over their paddocks. Maybe we'll get Guy (Fox) to make a dung FX so the cattle can raise their tails drop a load every so often!

All the new aircraft are a quantum leap forward from most of what has so far appeared. Excellent virtual cockpits, turrets, and other interiors. Recently saw a screenie looking down the insides of a Savioa-Marchetti SM79 fuselage with two waist gunners bashing away at Hurricanes or Gladiators. Gee, it looked great. We have a sizable collection in our Italian contingent who are doing some incredibly beautiful looking Regia Aeronautica aircraft, ships and many other details.

The Hurricanes are looking totally fantastic now. They have undergone an amazing evolution. Originally started by Partrick Didier. Then worked on by Mathias - new virtual cockpit. Winjeel took it over then and remodelled the wings so they look right. Leading edges fixed up and modeled landing lights. Winjeel has also produced Sea Hurricanes with animated landing hooks.

You'll see every version of Hurricane ever used in the Med, even the Mk.IID 'Tin Opener' with 40mm Vickers 'S' guns. Bravo 4 has been pouring out some of the best and most realistic skins I've ever seen for all these Hurris.

Ed Wilson has done some amazing looking P-40s, Steve Sybolt's got Stukas and lot's of other great stuff - armoured vehicles, PT boats, Dorniers and more. Fantastic Messerschmitts and Focke-Wulfs all new, Josh's done some new tropical Spits and Sea Spits. There are lots and lots of other things. Some I'm not even allowed to mention because we want to give people a few surprises.

I know that it's difficult to wait on something like this but it's a gigantic project and even with the forty or so people on the Desert Rats team working away madly on it, this kind of thing takes time. I'm sure you'll get your 'hot little hands' on it this year but it is silly for me to make an estimate as none of us really know ourselves. People are coming up with new ideas all the time.

Believe me, you won't be disappointed. Just be patient.

Will.

Someone mentioned beduin tents?
Couldn't resist to put some holes into the left one with me FW190

For those who said there isn't gonna be any CFS4, I know already ! Can someone put some wishes down now ? Bless you stiz , you put something down.

Oh, I forgot Green Ghost. Bless him too, he put something down....

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LOL, he just said he would better have the CFS3 code than the CFS2 code, what on earth is insulting on it?
Been developing for CFS2 for years and can tell with some savety that each new groundcrew release has raised the bar for the others to follow
We made the switch to CFS3 when it was released because it's the better render engine, the better combat engine and the better flight model engine and it has better SDK support than CFS2 will ever have.
So saying releasing the code for CFS2 is insulting to CFS3 modellers, following your logic? LOL!

AvHistory Iam not that sensitive about you comment about your desire on wether you thought the code should release for the CFS3 instead of CFS2. That would be silly . Its only a opinion and everyone has the right to their opinion. What bother me is you insinuation that since their probably wont be a development of CFS4. We should send all our request �wishes to �the CFS3 �developers.

In other words we should substitude CFS2 for CFS3. Make all our request to CFS3 developers and make CFS3 into our own CFS4.

Now I thought that was a Insult to come to the CFS2 forum and tell every member to abadon CFS2 for CFS3.

Iam sorry as good as CFS3 is. It will never replace CFS2. Maybe just maybe we member of the CFS2 forum would like to convert CFS2 into CFS4 instead.

The thing that bother me about you is not that you promote CFS3 but that you and Mathias never admit that CFS3 has many short commings as well.

I understand that that in many ways CFS3 is a better program but to say that is completely superior is nonsense.

With out CFS2 we would not have the Best Simulator representing the Pacific Theater period. While the Pacific Fighter is a dandy of a program is still incomplete and with the help of the CFS2 developers CFS2 is still better. I will not give up CFS2 for the Pacific Fighter program at this time.

Where can we Simulate World war one or the Spanish Civil war. Perhaps create our own Easter Front Theater from the Polish campaign to Berlin 1945.

We now can recreate the Night Bombing by the �British Bomber Command with the help of Stiz Sceneries and search lights soon to be available.

Can you claim to have build basically all the Significant planes involve in World two . I guess not.

Were is the World map were I can place the few Russian and Japanese planes available for CFS3.

You say the flight Models are better . I defer from that comment. I have flown Cfs2 and CFS3 and the planes feel more real than they ever felt in CFS3. Beside if you look at the planes from the exterior view. They look like they are been flown from strings like puppet plane instead of looking they are actualy flying. I now you guys are never going to be objective and will never admit to this and other weakness. But thats the way they look. Not very real.

I admit CFS2 has many short commings. Like for example no Mutiple Languages program has ever been develope for it. Maybe instead of critizing this program you should �help us in this matter. Another is our inability to use the Bomber turrents guns. Their not enough Bombsights to acomodate all the Bombers available.

This are just a few examples of its short commings. But overall CFS3 cannot and will not replace all of what CFS2 can do for the World two combat Simulator world.

They are both different and good Simulator. Just accept it . It would be better for us to join forces instead and try to make both this wonderful Simulator better.

I fly them both and I love them because they give me a different feeling whenever I fligh in them.

I hope you do not get offended by what I have said about CFS3.

You guys have done a wonderful job with both Simulator and hope you will continue. I appreciate all your good work. Thank for everything.

Thank you
Jame007