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A little bit of local history (Read 1451 times)
Dec 19
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, 2004 at 7:31pm
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Amazing what you see when you least expect it. I spotted this photo hanging in the bar while at a party at the local golf club last night. Having my trusty camera with me I took a quick shot of it. The Ju 87 had apparently made a forced landing on the golf course during the BoB. It doesn't look that badly damaged & is "guarded" by what looks like a platoon of the local "Dad's Army".
The only information was the inscription:
GERMAN STUKA 87
16th Fairway
18th August 1940
I've heard plenty of stories about crashed aircraft around here in 1940 but I'd not heard about this one before. I had a punt round on Google & found this.
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Crashed German WW2 Plane
On 18 August 1940, during WW2, a German aircraft crashed on Ham Manor Golf Course to the west of Angmering village.
The aircraft, a Junkers Ju 87B Stuka, was from the Luftwaffe Unit: II Gruppe - Stukageschwader 77 - 5 Staffel. It bore the markings "Wk Nr. 5167" and codes "S2 & N".
The crew were Pilot Oberfeldwebel Kurt Schweinhardt, who was taken prisoner, and Wireless Operator/AG Oberfeldwebel Willi Geiger (69062/11), who died of his wounds.
Oberfeldwebel Willi Geiger was originally buried at Littlehampton Cemetery but moved c1965 to the Deutscher Soldatenfriedhof, the German Military Cemetery at Broadhurst Green on Cannock Chase, Staffordshire. His date of birth was 30 August 1914.
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John Saunders, chairman of Littlehampton branch of the Royal Air Forces Association (RAFA), has vivid memories of August 18, 1940, known as the Hardest Day.
"It was a beautiful day, with not a cloud in the sky. I was with a friend, Jack Dixon, who lived next door to us in New Road, Littlehampton, and we were in his garden.
"I looked up and saw what looked like lots of little stars dropping out of the sky and said it would be funny if they were German aircraft.
"Then we went to another friend's across the road, and you could see the smoke rising from Ford airfield.
"I didn't feel afraid - I was only eight years old at the time and didn't understand what was happening - I had never seen anything like it before."
It was known as the hardest day because both sides committed more aircraft over the skies of southern England than on any other day.
The Fleet Air Arm Training School at Ford suffered extensive damage, loss of life and casualties. What John Saunders saw "dropping out of the sky" were 28 Stuka dive bombers, which blitzed the airfield.
The toll included 28 dead and 75 injured, 43 aircraft on the ground damaged or destroyed, and direct hits on the airfield's fuel stocks, two hangars and other buildings.
During the raid, three Stukas were shot down by Spitfires from 602 City of Glasgow Sqn, based at Westhampnett. One of the Stukas crash-landed on Ham Manor golf course. Within days, souvenir hunters had stripped it down to little more than a skeleton.
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Dec 19
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History can be found all around us, we just have to look in the right places. The local pub is a good place to start!
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Dec 20
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It seems a shame now that a seemingly almost intact JU-87 should be stripped down but it was a different time then and no one would have given a second thought to any future historical significance it may have had. Nice story Hagar old pal and a great pierce of detective work.
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Dec 20
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Thanks Doug...wonderful to read unexpected stories like that
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Dec 20
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, 2004 at 9:57am
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Within days, souvenir hunters had stripped it down to little more than a skeleton.
Monsters!
I'm off to the cemeraty, getting some bones as 'souvenirs'.
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Dec 20
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Monsters!
Settle down now Bjorn. It was the aircraft that was stripped down, not the occupants.
Sadly one of the crew did not survive but I'm sure they were well-treated despite doing their best to wipe out as many of us as possible. That's the strange thing about war but enough of that.
It does seem a shame that the aircraft was not salvaged but it would probably have been reduced to scrap. Material was in very short supply & for all I know some wrecks might have ended up as Spitfires.
My first thought was that the local Dad's Army didn't do a very good job of guarding it. If the truth be known I suspect they were the main culprits, after the boffins at Farnborough had taken everything they wanted. I expect the golf club members were complaining about it blocking the 16th fairway anyway & would have been glad to see the back of it. The country might have been in immediate danger of invasion but nothing interferes with the important things in life. That would never do old boy.
I believe this was the last time the Ju 87 was used on the Western front. It was highly effective as this attack & the one that badly damaged the nearby radar station at Poling on the same day demonstrated but it was too vulnerable to the modern RAF fighters. After suffering heavy losses in a short time the Stuka was temporarily withdrawn from front-line service, although I believe it was later used in the East. Only a few days after the photo was taken the Luftwaffe changed tactics & the London Blitz started.
PS. I recall reading that the oxygen cylinders from the He 111 were in great demand for air bottles for RN frogmen at one time. We didn't have anything suitable or the ability to manufacture them. Not a lot of people know that.
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Dec 20
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Settle down now Bjorn. It was the aircraft that was stripped down, not the occupants.
That's what I referred to...
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Sadly one of the crew did not survive but I'm sure they were well-treated despite doing their best to wipe out as many of us as possible.
Yep. Not as friendly as in the 1st WW, but still quite nice, like the story Galland-Bader.
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It was too vulnerable to RAF fighters & temporarily withdrawn from front line service although & believe it was later used in the East.
Ju-87G - opening russian tanks like cans...
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PS. I recall reading that the oxygen cylinders from the He 111 were in great demand for air bottles for RN frogmen at one time. We didn't have anything suitable or the ability to manufacture them. Not a lot of people know that.
"Made in Germany" - quality work since 1939.
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Dec 20
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I'm sure if you looked you'd find most of that aircraft in the attics of sussex.
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Dec 20
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I'm sure if you looked you'd find most of that aircraft in the attics of sussex.
You would be surprised at what you can find in the attics of Sussex. All sorts of useless junk that should have been dumped years ago. I don't dare look in mine.
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Dec 20
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Pretty exciting stuff Doug, alas no-one downed a Spit round here (of course flying inferior machinery like the 109 didn't help
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Dec 20
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Pretty exciting stuff Doug,
I thought so. Nobody else at the party seemed too interested.
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alas no-one downed a Spit round here (of course flying inferior machinery like the 109 didn't help
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Mark
The lack of Spitfires on the Eastern front might have had something to do with it.
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Dec 20
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That is cool, its amazing what history you can find when you look. Theres a ton of history round this area dating back to the civil war i believe (or war of the roses, whichever i wasnt paying to close attention
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Dec 20
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That is cool, its amazing what history you can find when you look. Theres a ton of history round this area dating back to the civil war i believe (or war of the roses, whichever i wasnt paying to close attention
It would have been the Civil War around Birmingham which was on the Parliamentarian side & loyal to Oliver Cromwell. The War of the Roses was a series of skirmishes between Lancashire & Yorkshire. Red rose for King Henry & the 'Lancastrians' & White rose for the Duke of York & the 'Yorkists'. It lasted for something like 30 years. Sometimes I think they're still at it. LOL
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Dec 20
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LOL yes thats the one:) Thanks Doug, theres alot of old musket holes in the walls of the churches round here, and apparently the Kings wife or mistress or whomever stayed at a local pub, the building is still standing today. I will try to get some pictures the next time i am that way.
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Dec 20
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I will try to get some pictures the next time i am that way.
Please do. My daughter lives quite close to Birmingham but I can't say I've ever been there myself. Warwick Castle is well worth a visit if you get the opportunity.
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