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Dec 1st, 2004 at 6:07pm

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Trying to get rid of this peculiar st-s-t-u-st-utt-te-ute-r-tter. Tongue I suppose this goes in the Software board, but that board seems more for game reviews and such, and Hardware seems more fore technical settings and such, so...  Mods!  Do as you wish!

Anywho, Far Cry so far is the only thing to challenge my PC in the slightest, and therefore I am able to notice PC issues quickly using Far Cry.

Issues:
  • Videos chop.  The video will run for 1 second, hang up for .25, and then continue where they would have been had it not hung up.
  • This problem is evident in Command & Conquer Generals: Zero Hour videos as well.
  • This can all be resolved, however, by pressing ALT+TAB and switching windows, and switching back.  This stuttery thing is fairly persistent.  It happens about 85% of the time, and only after a load.
  • Overall FPS is slower too, pre-switch.


What can this be?  Obviously the hardware combo isn't the issue - the same combo had everything workin' good before.  XP was also a dirty install on that configuration (98-XP install; not fresh), and using older drivers and such.  The only thing I can think of is my drive partition.  I patitioned up my 250 into:
  • 5  - XP
  • 10  - Core Programs
  • 100 - Games
  • 10  - Design Programs
  • 30  - Music
  • 30  - Pictures
  • 30  - Movies
  • 20  - Archives
  • ~3  - Auxiliary

Could this affect performance any?  I was under the impression partitioning would increase, not decrease performance.  I don't really think this is the issue, but I dunno.

Any settings that y'all know of that could cause a stutter after loading something gamewise?

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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2004 at 5:18am

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Probably something as simple as graphic settings in the game or graphics card Wink

I have some trouble with certain games so I have to go into the Nvidia settings and change AA and AF settings dependant on which game I'm playing.
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2004 at 12:13pm

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Scorpion has a pretty good setup if I remember rightly.  I would say its definately the way he has his hardware setup looking at that!!

AA and AF aren't the problem here I dont think.
 

AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2004 at 12:27pm

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Hmm, how much RAM do you have Scorpion? I get an occasional stutter in Far Cry with my system below, video's however play just fine. ???

Have you de-fragged your Windows partition? Windows built in Defragmenter is pretty bog standard. Some good and much faster alternatives include Vopt XP and Diskeeper, try those for a good quality defrag. Before defragging it is always a good idea to delete all temporary files, temp internet files, empty your recycle bin (all in system tools > disk cleanup). There’s no need for Windows to be moving these files around, get rid of them. Also empty your windows\prefetch folder every time you want to defrag,.........emptying it will speed up your performance, and defragging with it empty helps move all your system files around without moving unnecessary files like these.

Clean your System Tray
Remove any excess icons (all of them, basically) from the system tray (lower right). Contrary to popular belief, those little "quick access" icons take up a lot of room.
For example, MS messenger takes up about 3.6 MB just sitting there... not even logged in... Bring it up, select tools, options, then uncheck "load at startup" and "allow to run in background."
Use Regedit and check your startup activities
Start > Run > Regedit
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr
entVersion\Run

Have a look in there and remove (delete) anything you don’t want loading up on startup. Be warned, messing around with the Reg without knowledge of it can cause you problems!!

Also, disable any startup services, for example, if you goto

Start > Run > services.msc

with my system I've disabled all of the following services....
Alerter
Error Reporting
Indexing
Messenger (this is NOT MSN messenger, it’s the annoying popups!)
NetMeeting Remote Desktop Sharing]
Network DDE
Network DDE DSDM
Performance Logs and Alerts
Portable Media Serial Number
Remote Desktop Help Session Manager
Remote Registry Service
Smart Card
Smart Card Helper
System Restore Service  *
Uninteruptible Power Supply
Upload Manager
WebClient
Windows Time
WMI Performance Adapter  

Quite alot of junk eh?

Some things for you to work at mate.  Wink

* System Restore, turn off if you know you can cope without it, otherwise, leave ON !  Wink
 

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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2004 at 5:29pm

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Well, for those that don't know:
  • Athlon 64 3000+
  • MSI somethin' somethin' Motherboard
  • Corsair DDR 2 x 512MB
  • Hitachi 250GB (as stated previously)
  • 600w PSU amybe 700, I forget
  • BFG NVidia Geforce6800 OC with latest drivers


The Skörpion (Name of the computer in question) is not connected the the internet, so no annoying taskbar programs Scania.  Besides, I've always been good about disabling those.  God praise Run>MSConfig. Smiley

I will try tinkering with AA settings, as it had a profound impact on how fast Codename: Panzers could run when things got a little hot and heavy.  Hehe... Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2004 at 6:39pm

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Check nothing integrated (such as sound)* on your mobo isn't enabled, that pc should be laughing @ Far Cry mate as I'm sure you know!

Definately something causing a glitch somewhere, FSAA enabled or not!

I have a friend with a 6800GT specced P4 3.0, that flys through Far Cry with 8XAA @ 1600x1200 your '64 is certainly a better platform, so I can't see hardware being the limitation.

£5 says its something silly like a mobo setting or, an iffy driver, probably sound if your PC has the same demons as mine.....

Weird its only in a few games???  have you narrowed it down to OpenGL or Direct X out of curiosity???

Paul.

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* I assume your running a dedicated soundcard. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #6 - Dec 5th, 2004 at 3:07am

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Negative.  Onboard AC 97 sound.  I like not wasting $40. Wink

I was slightly afraid of it being DirectX, as previously, I had 9.0B.  I'm running 9.0C now in order to play the NFS Underground 2 demo.

I'm hesitant to, because they begin to coagulate the taskbar, but I think installing all the Utilities on my MSI CD might maybe/kinda/sorta have an effect.

OpenGL?  Emm...  What's that? Tongue

I believe it's a universal issue, however most games don't have video's while simultaneosly loading something.  The NFSU2 demo has a video which plays fine, however in C&CG:ZH has a video while loading the level and it stutters horribly.  I believe Far Cry loads while playing the videos as well.  I think.  Maybe.  Actually I dunno. Tongue Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #7 - Dec 5th, 2004 at 6:22am

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I use AC97 onboard sound, no problems here  Grin
 

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Reply #8 - Dec 5th, 2004 at 8:04am

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Your partitions are not the problem. However, your "dirty XP installation" is definitely suspect. Time for a re-format in my opinion. Just format your op sys partition though.

Your C: drive (if you have XP on C drive that is) seems a tad small as far as partition size goes, have you got a program to increase that partition to 10 gig without losing any data? I'm wondering where your swap file is located, thinking if it is on C: drive, that your virtual memory cache may be running out of space, or close to it, possibly causing the stutter.

FarCry, maxed out, will push almost any PC. It's very CPU intensive as well as video intensive, much like FS9. Drop a setting or two down and see if the stutter is still apparent.

Try to find out if you have any other programs running that might be sucking up some CPU power.

I recently obtained the latest driver for AC'97 sound, a Realtec codec driver I think. It really improved my already good onboard sound.

I have seen sound drivers corrupted when I used to use a  Creative Soundblaster Live! soundcard, it caused terrible stutter. Re-installing the sound driver cured the problem. I had about 3 occurences of that problem.

You need to approach the problem logically starting from a base level (BIOS settings) and work your way through your system's configuration systematically in an attempt to isolate the problem.

Using msconfig to shutdown services is actually not as effective as going to Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Services and actually disabling them from there. There is much to be done on that page actually, and it has been the cause of quite a few re-formats for me in the past.

A really good and safe way to shut these services off is to use this guide......

http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

I open the guide in the top half of my screen, and open my services in the bottom half, then make the required changes.

Getting rid of all unneccesary services in XP is a good start, but don't forget to disable any other software you have installed on your PC that may be interfering and using resources.

This includes Sound programs that may have been installed while you thought you were just installing your sound driver,

Anti-virus, scanning software, media player, and a multitude of other possibilities.

go to add/remove windows components, there are some baddies in there to get rid of as well.





 

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Reply #9 - Dec 5th, 2004 at 2:16pm

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I only just remembered! Somthing else that is quite important with the 6800 range.

Go into BIOS and ensure 'Fastwrites' is turned off!

Not having it turned OFF will cause pauses, stutters etc etc.

 

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