Just a few minutes ago on the way home I was flippin through channels I heard some hip hop crap that had Crazy Train overdubbed.
This is what I mean whenever I complain about "real" music, these hip hop people are not artist, musicians, singers etc..
They are frauds that rip off real artists. They can't write their own music so they "borrow" someone elses. and call it thier own, then there are the morons that vote for them to win the awards like "Best Artist of The Year", have you ever once heard one of them say thanks to the person that actually wrote the original song? NO! (well, if they did thank them you wouldn't be able to understand what the hell they said anyway)

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This one was actually pretty good for a rip-off.

For the ones that give permission to have thier music used by these untalented geeks might just be a money issue, they want more cash and the market is in crap so they bow to it and let others desicrate what was once a good song

Lol I doubt mr Page needs any money 8)

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granted rock draws on blues for inspiration but a hell of a lot of dance s*** ripps it off, the speed it up replace the original singer with a squeeky high pitch voice and maybey add another drum beat then sell it as their own!

you've gotta listen to the songs I mentioned and the originals to understand what I'm saying, I'm not puttin hip-hop down, just talentless wonders.  8)

To be honest I'm no fan of hip-hop either but at least some of them are trying to be original, that said dance and hip-hop are not the same genre.

Makes me think of what Rolf Harris did to Led Zepplins "Stairway to Heaven" I'm still smarting at that one! 

Pete I think you hit this one right on the head  8)

Pete basically stated what I was going too.

Differance is Rock and Roll evolved from Blues, the new hip hop/dance whatever it is called isn't a evolution of any kind.
It is desecrating a song for profit.

The reason I feel strongly that there is a big differance from how Rock and Roll started, to what these self proclaim artist are doing is the fact that Rock and Roll became something of itself, it evolved.

A Rock Band that does a cover song does just that they take a previously written song and play it thier way (nine times out of ten royalties are paid to the writer), not much change from the original but maybe some of thier own style mixed in.

Hip Hop/ Dance takes parts of the original, repeat it, change the lyrics, etc and try to call it thier own. "The sound straight from the Hood"  I remember one rapper defining it.
Sorry but Led Zep or G&R or Ozzy for that matter are not the sounds from any "Hood" I've been in and I have been in a few.

Funny thing is that Hip Hop is getting so bad and they are trying so hard to make money they are now going Country! Whereas if they really were artist they wouldn't have to find another genre of music to tap from they would be evolving.

Most of these so called stars really give original rappers, the ones who started it all and really did have music all thier own, the likes of RunDMC, 2 Live Crew a bad name, they destroyed what did start as a original sound.

Keepin' it real!! Yeah right

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Royalties are usually paid to the person that owns the "rights" to the song not always the artist. But at least in the above referances there is proper credit given to the original artist, and not to mention the way they were recreated by the bands is more of sharing a great song, memorializing if you will an artist, no where near the same as todays "artists". And the above artists never once tried to call the songs their own.

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Alabama Bound- Great songs on that!!

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Hypocritical, maybe if being based on by definition. But the "new people" are way off target and are doing everything different.
There is a huge differance in being "influanced" by another artist, that influance will reside in your music and can be heard in every song you make, you have then expanded on what the original artist did, sort of letting the original artist live on through music of your own.

The new music isn't based on any influance at all, it is based on taking whole or part of a original and slicing and dicing it into something they call thier own. The reason they do this is because they have no talent to write music of thier own, it in now way promotes, memorializes, or gives credit to the artist who made the original. It doesn't evolve into something bigger.

A great example of a song that influances and evolves is "Baby Please Don't Go"
Done by the above mentioned, and a lot of bands and I mean a lot have re-recorded this song, each with thier own style but yet keeping the song original. a tribute if you will to the original artist thus the song evolved into something bigger.

There isn't one hip hop/dance song that will be able to do that because there is no influance, just theft of a piece of music history to try to cash in on, and a disrespect to the original artist.

Hypocritical? Well then yes I am, but with valid reason to be. There is a differance
1) To re-do (cover) a song because it is a good song
2) To try to make a quick buck off someone elses work.
Pretty big differance I think!

These are my opinions,  we are all free to listen to what we want.

Leadbelly songs remade by other artists...

Midnight Special - Creedance
The Gallows Pole - Led Zepplin
Midnight Rider - Allman Brothers
See See Rider - Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels
House of the Rising Sun - The Animals
Casey Jones - Joe Walsh

... and that's just after a few minutes of searching.  Now what do you think Leadbelly would say if he heard Zep's version of Gallows Pole or Mitch Ryder's SeeSee Ryder?

  I say if you don't like it, don't listen to it.

There was one? ???

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That is AWESOME!! I have that tape somewhere I must find it!!

The only one that really gets my goat is:

Vanilla Ice ripping THAT beat straight from the intro of a Queen song (I forget which one)

If we're gonna dig at Hip-Hop artists, we might aswell dig at some of the newer 'metal' artists too.

Marilyn Manson : Tainted Love
Orgy : You Spin Me Round
Korn : Word Up

Although these are covers - none of them IMO are an improvement on the originals.

Or even BLUE (British Pop-Crap) ripping the beat for their "new" song, Curtain Falls straight from Coolio's Gangsta's Paradise.

Other than that, I don't really care too much.

I LIKED P.Diddy and Jimmy Page's "Come With Me"

But hey, everyone has they're own tastes.

Cheers,

Carl out.....

Wasn't that Queen and David Bowie?

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Yes it was.

Here's more fuel for the fire...

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