Simviation Forum - Can't open the pc caseing

Aug 31^st, 2004 at 9:35am

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Hi

I am trying to take the case of my PC so that i can add some more ram. The problem is that there are these circular screw like things but with no place to put the screwdriver. They are covered.

Any help would be very much appriciated.

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Reply #1 - Aug 31^st, 2004 at 3:05pm

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What Brand / Make / Model is your case? If it is a more expensive case then it maybe of the 'screwless' type. Otherwise its ridiculous!
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Reply #2 - Aug 31^st, 2004 at 3:27pm

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Sounds like he's got a branded PC, quite a few PC's at work we could'nt get into for this same reason.

Drill out the capped screws & buy a half decent case to re-fit all the gubbins into. BEWARE, you may well find your motherboard has everything soldered directly into place.
You may well find theres no empty slots for RAM or anything.

A friend of mine has a 3.2ghz p4 with integrated graphics, 512MB of RAM and NO means of upgrading it! Not even a PCI slot!

We took the thing to a local electronics company, when the engineer looked at the tracks on the PCB of the Sct 478 CPU he just laughed & handed the board backsaying it simply was'nt worth his time/effort in removing the CPU!

He has a very fast web terminal that struggles to play FS2000 nevermind FS9!!!

I hope the above does not apply to you stiz. Wink

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Reply #3 - Aug 31^st, 2004 at 3:34pm

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Okay two possible methods;
1) a sledgehammer and a chisel (not subtle but v.effective) Grin

2) a pair of long nosed pliers (or even surgical clamps) that can grip the head of these bolts and then try and undo them.

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Reply #4 - Aug 31^st, 2004 at 3:48pm

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Reply #5 - Aug 31^st, 2004 at 4:01pm

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Um, I wonder if you would be putting the right kind of ram in anyway?

I mean, it's locked, so how were they intending to upgrade it?

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Reply #6 - Aug 31^st, 2004 at 10:19pm

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Well at this point we don't even know if he has an open slot to put the RAM!

Word of caution....always open your case before you go buying things to jam in there!

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Reply #7 - Sep 1^st, 2004 at 12:05am

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Sledge Hammer and chisel! Tongue

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Woah guys! Computers are very delicate machines. I suggest something more subtle like, let's say, C-4 maybe? Grin

Seriously though. If you can't get into the case, there may be a reason for it. What's your warranty like? Does the supplier provide inexpensive upgrades?

What do computers and air conditioners have in common?
They both will work perfectly, until you open windows.

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Reply #8 - Sep 1^st, 2004 at 10:34am

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So what your saying is don't take the case of if its not screwed in???

I can take a digi photo when i get home and will post so you know what i'm on about.

Thanks

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Reply #9 - Sep 1^st, 2004 at 8:19pm

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Have you tried nuclear intervention. Grin

Take the digi photo and show us so we can see better.

I only pretend to know what I'm talking about. Heck, that's what lawyers, car mechanics, and IT professionals do everyday. Wink

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Reply #10 - Sep 2^nd, 2004 at 2:43pm

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Old-style corporate compaq case? use the BIOS to undo the locking mechanism. These clamps are strong enough to take the whole weight of the case when you lift it by grapping the cover only

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Reply #11 - Sep 3^rd, 2004 at 3:34pm

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Well i've got round to taking the pic.

What do you think is it worth taking the case off?

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Reply #12 - Sep 4^th, 2004 at 3:32am

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That looks like a rivet, which means you'll have to break it off. If your determined to open the case, the least destructive method of getting it off is to drill it out.

What do computers and air conditioners have in common?
They both will work perfectly, until you open windows.

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Reply #13 - Sep 4^th, 2004 at 11:01am

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the least destructive method of getting it off is to drill it out.

But where's the fun it that? I'd use a blow torch. Grin

Of course you don't want to melt your stuff so do what Skittles says.

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Get your PC custom made at a local shop and pair it with a good easy access case. I used to have the old hood style which was a PITA. My new one has removable side panels which are much easier to work with. Plus the old case was stainless steel and weighed a ton. My new one is aluminum which is much ligher.

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Reply #14 - Sep 7^th, 2004 at 8:30am

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do you still have warranty on it? if so, don't open it or you will lose it

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Reply #15 - Sep 7^th, 2004 at 2:33pm

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All this talk of drilling, using blow torches and blowing it up Shocked

is all rather scary for me.

Got into thinking was it really worth drilling the thing out just to put in 512mb of ram and on top of that loosing the warranty as a results!!!

Decided against it think my old PC could use it (Pent. 2 400).

Thanks for all your suggestions

Stiz

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Reply #16 - Sep 8^th, 2004 at 5:22am

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3,3v DDR SDRAM DIMM doesn't work in a 5v DIMM slot...

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Reply #17 - Sep 8^th, 2004 at 1:56pm

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3,3v DDR SDRAM DIMM doesn't work in a 5v DIMM slot...

??? no you've lost me.

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Reply #18 - Sep 8^th, 2004 at 2:02pm

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Heres what he means: The 3,3v id the poer going into it (£.£ Volts). Thats compared to 5 Volts. SDRAM is the single pass old style RAM, you have DDR, dual pass. And I think th eslots maybe a different size. The bottom line

lol... is that your DIMM (Strip of RAM) wont work if thats your slot.
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Reply #19 - Sep 9^th, 2004 at 11:53am

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the problem is that PII mobos sometimes have DIMM slots too, but these run on 5V and can only use 66MHz memory.

usually DIMM slots have a protection mechanism to prevent you from using the wrong type of memory. this protection does NOT exist on older DIMM slots

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Reply #20 - Sep 13^th, 2004 at 1:40pm

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If you have a very smell alan key you could try and fit it in and open it as i have them screws on my old 95 so i had a go with a couple of tools an got it off using the smallest alan key i had.
??? ???
By the way i tryed dynamite it doesn't open the case it just makes the whole thing fly and you'll never get it back. ??? ??? Cry

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Reply #21 - Sep 15^th, 2004 at 7:02am

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yes i looked at the pic too, and it seems there is a small hexagonal groove on the middle of this 'rivet' i think a small alan key could do the job...

but i like the c-4/sledgehammer/blowtorch idea too Grin

maybe a jackhammer too? Grin

i once tried to open my case but the screws were in so tight, that i damaged the grooves trying to turn them, so the screwdriver had no grip against them.... i eventually needed a set of pliers to make them budge...

anyways good luck with that Wink

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Reply #22 - Sep 16^th, 2004 at 4:49pm

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Sounds like it is rivetted, buy a proper case & screw the warranty, unless you build your own PC I don't think you will ever be satisfied. Don't forget that ANY package deal from any manufacturer for anything will no doubt contain the crappiest bits you could imagine. Also it is a lot cheaper to get a high spec machine. You will have to do a bit of research for motherboards etc, but I guarantee you will be pleased with the results. Do not let anyone tell you that computers are difficult to build or tweak. It is a complete con. Build your own, you will not reget it!

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Reply #23 - Sep 16^th, 2004 at 6:13pm

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Build your own, you will not reget it!

Agreed, you get full control over what you want, and gain excellent knowledge of computer hardware whilst doing it. It is not as hard as people think.

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Reply #24 - Sep 16^th, 2004 at 6:29pm

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I knew almost NOTHING about PCs 'til I built my own. It was the best thing I ever did. PS I meant regret not reget! The learning curve is steep but none the less very rewarding.

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Reply #25 - Sep 16^th, 2004 at 6:31pm

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I draw the line at using oxy-acetylene & 12" angle grinders though!!

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