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Aug 9th, 2004 at 1:34pm

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Hi Lads...!

Have a quick shufty at this, (courtesy of Aida32)...>>>

http://www.webattack.com/get/aida32.shtml

...

(Note my system specs at the bottom of this post...)

Out of my total system memory of 768 Mb, (The max on Win '98SE), 692+Mb is being used, leaving me with only 72Mb free... Shocked...!

After a clean boot-up, and a short flight, my FS 2002 flight is occasionally interrupted by the dreaded Windows "Blue Screen" report: "You are running short of memory, and Norton cannot give you protection"...(Including my wiener I wonder?... Embarrassed....)...LOL..LOL..LOL...!

I can often start the day with around 25% of my memory taken up with Windows resources, (which is normal), but after a couple of hours of flying around, almost all of my memory is used up, and it's not dripping out of my engine... Roll Eyes...!

I am running FS 2002, (Oh joy! None of this FS 2004 stuff!), full screen, with all programs running in the background, (including Norton), shut down except: FS 2002, Explorer, Grabclipsave (obviously!), and Systray.

A regular Norton system scan, (Find and fix problems), reports no problems with my system, (Big sigh of relief, as always!)... 8)...!

So...

What on earth can it be that is ALWAYS eating such vast amounts of my flippin' system memory, and interrupting my California flights... Roll Eyes...?

Note that my actual flight is not de-graded by this shortage of memory, (my frame rate is constant at (locked) 30 FPS with EVERYTHING maxed), it's just that this flippin' reminder pops up every now and again to worry me... Angry...!

Some annoying little gremlin in my computer is chewing away at my installed memory, in a similar way that "old age" is chewing away at my feeble brain... Grin...LOL...!

...any suggested cures?....(Note: My brain is beyond economical repair!)... Wink...LOL...!

Cheers Lads... Grin...!

Paul.

P.S. Don't even think about mentioning installing Windows XP...Trust me... 8)...LOL...!!
 

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Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 2:02pm

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Seems to me you have WAY TOO MUCH crap running in background. Have you considered using FS-GS? Mike would walk you through the process of re-configuring your services so that you fly with only the bare essentials ONLY when you want to fly, any other time, It's setup normally.

When my 1GB system is config'd normally, it uses about 4-500MB at idle. When I'm in "Flying Mode" it's only using 150-250 MB. That leaves FS with roughly 800MB

Thank about it. Costs about $75
http://www.fs-gs.com
 

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They both will work perfectly, until you open windows.
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Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 2:37pm

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This is the "freebee" program I use to reduce recources running in the background.
It sits in my Start/Settings/Control Panel....>>>

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Cheers...!

Paul.
 

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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 3:10pm

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It's been a while since I've used Win98. I believe There should be more services. You have a printer? Where's the Spooler. You have a network, where are the Net services. Maybe that's a list of what Windows will allow you to change. Or, like it's labeled, just some services where you can choose to start.  I'm sure there are more, which you need to run a computer for various tasks, but a lot which you don't need while flying. I don't print anything while flying, so I shutdown my print spooler.

But like I said before, it's been a while.
 

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They both will work perfectly, until you open windows.
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 9:12am

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Put Windows XP on fozzer and you won't have these things happen ever again.  Grin

<<<<< Ducks fast!   Sad  Shocked  Tongue  Angry  I was only trying to help!


Has this started since you added the extra ram? Or did it always happen?

I noticed with win'98 that My system got funny after long periods of simming, and others reported it as well.
(This problem is far less prevalent due to the use of WinXP now....)
<<<<<<<<  Runs and  Hides!    Roll Eyes

I've read that '98 has some memory management issues, perhaps a good third party MM util is in order.
 

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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 9:40am

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Are you using FSautostart? From what I'm told, Win2K doesn't manage memory as well either. FSautostart optimizes your memory before starting FS. Don't know if it works on 98 though.
 

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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 11:13am

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Quote:
From what I'm told, Win2K doesn't manage memory as well either. FSautostart optimizes your memory before starting FS. Don't know if it works on 98 though.


Fozzer (+ Skittles).......

I don't know too much about this stuff.... but if I remember correctly I have heard of discussions of "memory leaks" occuring in Win 98.  What it seems to mean is that instead of being cleared of old used infomation.... it stays in there...eatiing up your RAM over time.

This might be it.

Also as to FSAutostart... it requires the Microsoft .NET framework be installed on the machine.  I think that rules out W98..... but I'm not sure.

Someone with more knowledege will liekely answer all this soon.   Wink

best,

............john
 

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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 1:38pm

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Hi lads...!
Many thanks for all your replies... Grin...!

All your comments seem to reflect the problems I'm having.
Over a period of time my computer memory seems to leak away, (I have a similar personal problem. I now have to sleep on my back or else my memory leaks out of my earoles... Roll Eyes...), so your experiences with Win '98 memory management may be correct... Wink...!

Hi Congo: I've got the Win XP disks, but I would rather install it on a clean hard drive, and at the mo' I'm reluctant to loose all my existing files.
Also, I may not be able to cope with all those funny "blue" icons in Win XP.... Cry....!
LOL...!
Also, I'm an avid user of lots of old computer games, (including DOS games), dating back to the year dot, and I'm not sure if XP will run them.. Roll Eyes...!

Cheers all... Grin...!

Paul.

Just had a check, and after a days chuffin' around, my memory has dropped back to 75 Mb again... Angry...!

So, it looks like a reluctant change over to Windows XP...(I can hear Bill Gates chuckling).... Angry...!
LOL...!

 

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Reply #8 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 4:49pm

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Strange Fozzer...

I run Win 98SE for many of the same reasons as you...and rarely see a memory error unless I've been doing a bunch of weird and wonderful tasks all at the same time.

My system has only 512MB installed...I've always heard that 98 cannot reliably use more RAM than that...something about memory errors occuring if you go above that point.
 

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Reply #9 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 5:15pm

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Quote:
Strange Fozzer...

I run Win 98SE for many of the same reasons as you...and rarely see a memory error unless I've been doing a bunch of weird and wonderful tasks all at the same time.

My system has only 512MB installed...I've always heard that 98 cannot reliably use more RAM than that...something about memory errors occuring if you go above that point.


Hi Silver...!
FANTASTIC to come across another Win '98SE enthusiast.... 8)...!
There aren't many of us left now.... Cry...!
We must stick together... Wink...!
LOL...!

I did a bit of checking into how much memory could be installed in Win '98, and GOD said, "768 meg, my old Mate"... 8)...!
So, as I was getting a bit short of memory, (I thought), I stuck another stick of 256 Mb in, (loadsa money)... Cry...!
So, maybe I should remove this latest stick, and give it back to GOD, and ask for a re-fund... Roll Eyes...!
LOL...!
See what 'appens then... Wink...!

Cheers Silver...!

Paul. ...watch this space for further developements... 8)...!
LOL...!
 

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Reply #10 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 7:15pm

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Of course, if there is some peculiar, incontrovertible reason why you must stick to Windows 98, you should simply remove the physical RAM (back to 512MB)and put it somewhere where it will be appreciated..... And under all other circumstances you should upgrade to Windows XP without delay. ( You've had those XP disks for ages!) Windows XP is not just another operating system, it is a completely new way of life. With Windows XP, all your problems will be gone for ever and eternal life will be yours for the taking. Oh no, wait, that’s Jesus. Roll Eyes Windows XP is just another operating system. But it is definitely a better one and you should still upgrade.  Amen.  Grin

I've still got '98 alive & crashing on my other partition, its great to watch my machine run FS9 40% slower......  Wink

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"Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed
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This article was previously published under Q253912
If this article does not describe your hardware-related issue, please see the following Microsoft Web site to view more articles about hardware:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/topics/hardware/hwddresctr.asp

SYMPTOMS
If a computer that is running any of the versions of Windows that are listed above contains more than 512 megabytes (for example, 768 megabytes) of physical memory (RAM), you may experience one or more of the following symptoms:
You may be unable to open an MS-DOS session (or command prompt) while Windows is running. Attempts to do so may generate the following error message:

There is not enough memory available to run this program.
Quit one or more programs, and then try again.
The computer may stop responding (hang) while Windows is starting, or halt and display the following error message:

Insufficient memory to initialize windows. Quit one or more memory-resident programs or remove unnecessary utilities from your Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files, and restart your computer.
CAUSE
The Windows 32-bit protected-mode cache driver (Vcache) determines the maximum cache size based on the amount of RAM that is present when Windows starts. Vcache then reserves enough memory addresses to permit it to access a cache of the maximum size so that it can increase the cache to that size if needed. These addresses are allocated in a range of virtual addresses from 0xC0000000 through 0xFFFFFFFF (3 to 4 gigabytes) known as the system arena.

On computers with large amounts of RAM, the maximum cache size can be large enough that Vcache consumes all of the addresses in the system arena, leaving no virtual memory addresses available for other functions such as opening an MS-DOS prompt (creating a new virtual machine).
WORKAROUND
To work around this problem, use one of the following methods:
Use the MaxFileCache setting in the System.ini file to reduce the maximum amount of memory that Vcache uses to 512 megabytes (524,288 KB) or less. For additional information about how to use the MaxFileCache setting, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
108079 32-Bit File Access Maximum Cache Size

Use the System Configuration utility to limit the amount of memory that Windows uses to 512 megabytes (MB) or less.For additional information about how to use the System Configuration utility, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
181966 System Configuration Utility Advanced Troubleshooting Settings

Reduce the amount of memory that is installed in your computer to 512 MB or less.
STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products that are listed at the beginning of this article.
MORE INFORMATION
Vcache is limited internally to a maximum cache size of 800 MB.

This problem may occur more readily with Advanced Graphics Port (AGP) video adapters because the AGP aperture is also mapped to addresses in the system arena. For example, if Vcache is using a maximum cache size of 800 MB and an AGP video adapter has a 128-MB aperture mapped, there is very little address space remaining for the other system code and data that must occupy this range of virtual addresses.
The information in this article applies to:
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition
Microsoft Windows 98
 

A known Windows '98 issue, nearly as old as you mate...  Wink  Grin  Tongue  Kiss
 

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Reply #11 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 7:29pm

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Hi Paul...!
Read all that...got a headache now... Cry...!
I think I will go back to my Sinclair Spectrum again.
The memory was fixed in that:
64K, of which 48K was available to the user, (me), but don't get messing with the System Variables area....!
No problemo...!

Cheers Mate... Grin...!

Paul.

Hi...Jet set Willy...and Manic Miner... Grin...!
LOL...!

P.S.  are you getting a back-hander from Bill Gates for the sales of Windows XP....?
LOL...LOL...LOL...!

 

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Reply #12 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 8:09pm

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OMG! The Rubber keyed wonder beast!  I had 6! ( 5 did'nt work and were returned to Dixons.... Roll Eyes )

Replaced the speccy with a 32K BBC Model B - How was it I upgraded from a £150 ish Micro with 48kb RAM to a £399.99(!) Micro with 32KB RAM ! ??? to this day I'm puzzled by that one, ahh,   - ELITE -  What a machine my old Beeb was.

Sorely missed.

Still got the Speccy '48 - Long dead  Cry

Cheers Mate,

Paul.

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Reply #13 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 9:14pm

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SINCLAIR !   Shocked

I had a number of Sinclair ZX-81's that I cobbled into various states of "computerness" with RAM and interfaces and all manner of stuff.  WOW.  I had forgotten about them until you brought up that name, Fozzer.

I had one rig up to 64K of RAM, a parallel interface, full sized keyboard, monitor driver, and a morse code generator/decoder for HAM radio use.

Thanks.  Guess my memory is failing too  Wink.

best,

................john



 

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Reply #14 - Aug 11th, 2004 at 12:55am
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Foz,

Answer to your problem.....

Decide which hobby you want, then trade in your bike on some reasonable 'puter stuff, or trade in your sim-gear and join Franky CHILI  and nitro Nori....

You can't have it both way (unless your better off than me...LOL . Grin
 
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