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Jul 23^rd, 2004 at 10:08pm

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Yup, thats the challenge my mate has set me, he's got a budget of £1,000 and nothing else, no case, mouse, monitor or even a keyboard bugger all in fact!

The main requirement is Far Cry & FS9 run @ MAX Settings !!! (hence my opting for the 6800 and, no, he don't like Ati either....)

Ideas?

All hardware will no doubt be sourced from www.overclockers.co.uk

Oh he wants a p4c (800fsb) cpu. ideally 1gb of RAM and a nice CTR 17inch monitor and an OEM copy of XP....

Over to you guys..... Cheesy

Cheesy

« Last Edit: Jul 24^th, 2004 at 7:16am by 4_Series_Scania »

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Reply #1 - Jul 24^th, 2004 at 2:36pm

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urmm. also try ukparts.com
but this is certainly a very trickey challenge indeed

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Reply #2 - Jul 24^th, 2004 at 3:09pm

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Thats gonna be very very trickey! 6800Ultra is £400 still at the moment, might have to settle with the GT and dabble with o-clocking. I see what I can put together but I think his specs will suffer due to him not having anything.

Somthing of Interest. Someone at work sent me a site that sells *Backup* copies of programs. Law states your are allowed one backup copy of any software you currently own. I noticed XP pro on this site for £15. Unfortunately I dont have the link here and am not back at work until Wednesday, might try search it out Grin

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AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!

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Reply #3 - Jul 24^th, 2004 at 3:25pm

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Well here is one I made up real quick so there may be somthing that requires changing or upgrading, managed to just about stay below the £1000 too.

AOpen GeForce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail (GX-001-AO)
£245.00

AMD Athlon 64 3000 (Socket 754) - Retail (CP-070-AM)
£104.95

MSI K8N Platinum nForce3 250 (Socket 754) Motherboard (MB-022-MS)
£73.50

Corsair 1GB DDR Value Select PC3200 Kit (2x512MB) (MY-041-CS)
£114.00

AOpen CRW5232 Chameleon 52x/32x/52x CD-ReWriter inc. Ivory/Black/Silver Bezels - Retail (CD-001-AO)
£16.40

Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 80GB ATA-133 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-014-MD)
£38.50

Hyundai ImageQuest Q770S 17'' Perfectly Flat CRT Monitor - Black/Silver (MO-006-HY)
£80.60

Antec Plus 1080AMG Metallic Gray File Server Case - 430W TruePower PSU (CA-001-AT)
£79.95

Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop v2.0 - OEM (KB-018-MS)
£27.00

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition - OEM (OS-001-MS)
£53.00

Subtotal £832.90
VAT £145.76
Total £978.66

AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!

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Reply #4 - Jul 24^th, 2004 at 3:26pm

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I put up an AMD system Grin

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They better for games Grin

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AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!

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Reply #5 - Jul 24^th, 2004 at 8:13pm

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I put up an AMD system Grin

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They better for games Grin

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Yes, but he specificaly wants Intel, he's using it for video editing when he's not playing, and his video software requires a p4 for optimum results ,so he says....
£1000 is his absolute limit (I realise he's asking alot!)

I'm not too bothered about the card, it'll be a £240 6800GT overclocked to Ultra speeds. ( I know of 3 people who have done this with MSI's 128MB 6800GT 8)

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Reply #6 - Jul 25^th, 2004 at 3:55am

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I let someone else choose the mobo/cpu then. I am not up to speed on value/money on Pentium. Cpu I guess its buy the best you can afford but I am not sure wha5t the best mobos are for P4's

AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!

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Reply #7 - Jul 25^th, 2004 at 10:15am

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I let someone else choose the mobo/cpu then. I am not up to speed on value/money on Pentium. Cpu I guess its buy the best you can afford but I am not sure wha5t the best mobos are for P4's

Your quite right to say an AMD 64 for gaming, trouble is, the p4 is considerably quicker at video editing supposedly, Its his money, his choice I suppose..... Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Jul 25^th, 2004 at 1:27pm

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Swap the AMD in Gixers system he stated with a 2.8GHz 800MHzFSB HT. £109.95

Swap the mobo for Asus P4P800 "Springdale" (Socket 478) Motherboard (MB-025-AS)
£62.95

My system:Intel Q6600@3.6GHz, Corsair XMS2 4GB DDR2-6400 (4-4-4-12-1T) , Sapphire 7850 OC 2BG 920/5000, X-Fi Fatality, Corsair AX 750, 7 Pro x64

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Reply #9 - Jul 25^th, 2004 at 3:03pm

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Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop v2.0 - OEM (KB-018-MS)
£27.00

I second that, halfed in price since I bought them for my sister, she's very pleased with them 8)

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Swap the AMD in Gixers system he stated with a 2.8GHz 800MHz FSB HT. £109.95

When I got my new PC (8 months ago) I wasn't sure that the 64bit AMD was even going to work. And as most of the AMD top brass were selling off large amounts of shares (worrying) I went for the P4c 3.2 with an ASUS P4C800-Deluxe.

I don't know what the point of me writing that was ??? But I've written it so I vote it stays!

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Reply #10 - Jul 31^st, 2004 at 4:46pm

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Ended up with....... (deep breath!)

P4 Prescott 3.0ghz 800fsb, 1GB 3200 DDR (Dual Channel), Creative Audigy 2, Asus P4P800-E Deluxe mobo, Leadtek FX6800 GT 256MB Card ,160Gb S-ATA Drive, 19Inch CRT Monitor, Logitech Keyboard, M$ Intelli Mouse, Antec case (WITH SHITE PLASTIC HINGE THATS ALREADY BROKEN! ) Angry

Angry

Logitech Wingman FF Wheel,400w PSU ,XP Home OEM,Creative Inspire 51. Speakers, CD/RW (52x) ,DVD Drive and no floppy!

Everything powered up on the first attempt! Grin

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just tried 3D Mark 2001 SE and got "out of the box" i.e. no tweaking, 18,500!!!! Shocked

Shocked

Shocked

Interestingly, no sound, I've not got an Audigy on my own machine , I hear of problems with them.... I get that sneeky feeling those problems lurk...... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Tonight its going to be bench tested (in silence if the damn audigy don't play ball.... ) with FS9..... Desert Combat and CFS2 & 3 (assuming sleep don't drag me to my pit.... Roll Eyes

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)

I'll grab some screenshots...... Lancaster's most probable....

Trouble is, it isn't mine, & I have to give it to my £1200 poorer friend...... Cry

Cry

I may consider doing a runner with it, trouble is, he knows where I live.... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Seriously for a moment, building good pc's is bad for your own pocket, my PC suddenly feels like an also ran....

Paul

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Reply #11 - Jul 31^st, 2004 at 5:57pm

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Quote:

just tried 3D Mark 2001 SE and got "out of the box" i.e. no tweaking, 18,500!!!!

Careful Paul - your gonna give some of us heart attacks! But then I had misread that and thought you had 18500 3D Mark 2003 points Shocked

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i.e. no tweaking

What sort of things do you tweak when you tweak?

Lol!

PS. What does it score in 03?

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Reply #12 - Jul 31^st, 2004 at 6:06pm

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I reckon it should score a tad over 10000 in 3dmark 03 as its a fresh install with a nice g/card Grin

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AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!

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Reply #13 - Jul 31^st, 2004 at 8:28pm

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Careful Paul - your gonna give some of us heart attacks! But then I had misread that and thought you had 18500 3D Mark 2003 points Shocked

Shocked

What sort of things do you tweak when you tweak?

Lol!

PS. What does it score in 03?

OK, No Hyper Threading optimizations or 'owt like that, sod all in fact ... still

WHILST Downloading 38MB of updates, Grin

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I ran '03 and got 11,200! 8) Shocked

Shocked

> Insert smiley for hit the floor! < Grin

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FS9 is happy & 1600x1280 FSAA, custom MAX settings, a solid 10(!) FPS - This sounds crap but believe me, it looks wonderful & runs absolutely stutter free - at head height through the City of Westminster..... Grin

Grin

if anything, its slower @ 1024x768! - just as my FX5600 is interestingly.....

But WOW WOW WOW ! This little beastie has teeth, bloody big 'uns! Grin

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Screenies coming once stop playing....

Suggestions appreciated for ways to stop my friend getting this pc back.... I don't want to let it go! Grin

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More to follow.....

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Reply #14 - Aug 1^st, 2004 at 12:49pm

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General Information
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP

DirectX Version 9.0c

Mobo Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer Inc.

Mobo Model P4P800-E

AGP Rates (Current/Available) 8x / 4x, 8x

CPU Intel Pentium 4 3300 MHz

FSB 220 MHz

Memory 1024 MB

Display Information
Graphics Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT

Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT

Driver Version 6.1.7.7

Driver Status Non WHQL - Not FM Approved

Video Memory 256 MB

Core Clock 5 MHz

Memory Clock 0 MHz

Sound Information
Sound Adapter Driver Name SB Audigy Audio [DF00]

Sound Adapter Driver Version 5.12.1.383

Benchmark Settings
Program Version 3DMark03 Revision 4 Build 0

Resolution 1024x768@32 bit

Texture Filtering Optimal

Pixel Processing / Antialiasing None

Post Processing false

Vertex Shaders Optimal

Main Test Results
3DMark Score 11868 3DMarks

CPU Score 804.0 CPUMarks

Detailed Test Results

Game Tests
GT1 - Wings of Fury 264.8 fps

GT2 - Battle of Proxycon 96.0 fps

GT3 - Troll's Lair 80.2 fps

GT4 - Mother Nature 67.4 fps

CPU Tests
CPU Test 1 91.3 fps

CPU Test 2 14.0 fps

Feature Tests
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 3150.8 MTexels/s

Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 6049.3 MTexels/s

Vertex Shader 33.1 fps

Pixel Shader 2.0 168.2 fps

Ragtroll 53.3 fps

Sound Tests
No sounds 61.2 fps

24 sounds 54.2 fps

60 sounds 48.9 fps

8)

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Reply #15 - Aug 2^nd, 2004 at 12:43pm

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Intel P4c @ 3300 Mhz, Asus P4P800-E, 1024Mb RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT = 11,200 3DMark03

Intel P4c @ 3200 Mhz, Asus P4C800-Deluxe, 1024Mb RAM, ATi Radeon 9800XT = 6,777 3DMark03

Cry

Cry

Cry

Cry

- But are you brave enough to pop the old FX5600 into the pot Wink

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Reply #16 - Aug 2^nd, 2004 at 6:53pm

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The typical score for the x800xt PE is 15k in 3Dmark03.

My system:Intel Q6600@3.6GHz, Corsair XMS2 4GB DDR2-6400 (4-4-4-12-1T) , Sapphire 7850 OC 2BG 920/5000, X-Fi Fatality, Corsair AX 750, 7 Pro x64

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Reply #17 - Aug 3^rd, 2004 at 8:40pm

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Intel P4c @ 3300 Mhz, Asus P4P800-E, 1024Mb RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT = 11,200 3DMark03

Intel P4c @ 3200 Mhz, Asus P4C800-Deluxe, 1024Mb RAM, ATi Radeon 9800XT = 6,777 3DMark03

Cry

Cry

Cry

Cry

- But are you brave enough to pop the old FX5600 into the pot Wink

Wink

Its approx 3000 in 03..... Probably less, do you really think I'm going to run it & cry? Obviously! Hence, me not doing it..... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Embarrassed

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Anyway, the reason why my FX5600 now makes me sick... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Grin

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Sorry about the quality, I've re-sized them badly....

If you'd like the raw shots (much better IMHO) I'll gladly e-mail them out.....

Just give me until the weekend, I'm off to London 'till Friday night...... Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Aug 4^th, 2004 at 2:14am

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Untick that Anti-Alias box in under your hardware tab right now Tongue

Tongue

Letting the game handle your Anti-Alias is not a good idea.

Do it through your cards control panel it will do it better and mopre effeiciently Grin

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p.s. still nice lookin screenies though Wink

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AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!

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Reply #19 - Aug 4^th, 2004 at 3:46pm

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I have to say it don't look as good as my 9800XT???

Could you upload (or email) an uncompressed image so we can cast judgement Wink

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Reply #20 - Aug 6^th, 2004 at 5:59pm

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I have to say it don't look as good as my 9800XT???

Could you upload (or email) an uncompressed image so we can cast judgement Wink

Wink

You have mail Wink

Wink

By all means, do a better resize & re-post......

Edit, erm Birdman, whats your e-mail? PM Me plz.

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Reply #21 - Aug 7^th, 2004 at 7:16am

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Sorry Scania - seems I missed this post Kiss

Kiss

I realise now that my email was hidden, shouldn't be now!

Thanks!

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Reply #22 - Aug 7^th, 2004 at 12:54pm

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Thanks Birdman, You now do indeed have mail! Grin

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