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Reply #15 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 9:01am

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I'm not qualified to comment on the advantages (or not) of conventional film over digital. It really depends on what you wish to do. I'm simply pointing out that it's possible to hone your skills with any type of camera.  My new digital automatic works on exactly the same priciple as the Canon Sureshot Zoom I used for many years previously. They are both very similar in fact.

The main difference & advantage of the digital for me is that I can use what I learned with the old one - with similar results (much better in most cases) - & also try new things. This costs nothing & I can take almost as many shots as I like without worrying about the expense or running out of film. I can see the results instantly without waiting for them to be processed. I don't have much use for prints as most of my activities are on the Internet. I've taken far more photos in the few months I've had the digital camera than I've taken during my whole lifetime. Logically, I must have learned something & made some improvement in a very short time.

What I'm trying to point out is that you have a perfectly good digital camera that you seem to use very little. You could use this to try out many of your ideas before transferring the same principles to your conventional SLR. Wink
 

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Reply #16 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 9:23am

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Thank you for your input doug..
Like i said before. I do use it alot, just not always with pictures that are to the interest of people here. While i do like the ease of the digital camera, i also like the challenge of the SLR, and the fact that you have hard copies of the pictures. While digital pictures are great in the fact there is no cost involved after purchase, theres always the risk that you could loose those in a crash and if you havent made copies then your stuffed:)
thank you for your comments as always Doug
 
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Reply #17 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 9:34am

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Thank you for your input doug..
Like i said before. I do use it alot, just not always with pictures that are to the interest of people here. While i do like the ease of the digital camera, i also like the challenge of the SLR, and the fact that you have hard copies of the pictures. While digital pictures are great in the fact there is no cost involved after purchase, theres always the risk that you could loose those in a crash and if you havent made copies then your stuffed:)
thank you for your comments as always Doug

You're welcome Craig. As always I'm just saying what I think. There is no risk of losing images if you back them up to CD or even floppy disk. If you want prints there are many excellent photo-quality printers on the market at ridiculously low prices. The results with modern instant drying photo-quality paper are equally as good as you would get by using traditional methods. The advantage is that you can edit the images first before printing them & only print the ones you want to keep. Printing photos is expensive on ink but once you have the printer I think it compares favourably with the traditional methods.
 

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Reply #18 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 9:59am

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all very good points:) and i am glad you do say what your thinking, it helps alot with making better steps to improvement in cases such as photos and it means cant become confused as to what your saying as easy. Well most of the time Grin

Seriously though, i like to think in my case they both compliment each other. I like my digital camera for ease of use and the fact taking it with me isnt more than a bulging pocket, of course remembering to recharge the batteries before you leave is always a good idea Roll Eyes Smiley
But i also like the freedom and challenge i get from the SLR, i like being able to experiment with the differant shutter speeds types of film and light levels. but its disadvantage is its size and weight, hauling it around everywhere isnt an option and only useful when your going somewhere specific like an airshow.

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Reply #19 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 10:59am

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SLR are the best. My Pentax KM has taken some excellent shots over the years. My dad use to do amature photography in the 80's. He took an excellent picture of Epcot Centre that looks like it came from a magazine. It's on a slide wheel in my basement somewhere but I'll try and find it for you guys. Got a nice scanner that does slides.

I guess the argument over 35mm vs digital cameras is a lot like the argument over LP Records vs CDs. I find that digital doesn't take a cyrstal clear sharp image. I also find that my Dad's digital seems to take very dark images for some reason. For example, the shots I took at CZBA the last weekend were originally very dark dispite the fact that it was a bright sunny day. I had to use edit them with Photohouse to make them look half decent.

For example, her are two shots of the C172.
This first one is the stock image cropped and resized to meet forum rules.
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And here's the image I posted before. Still kind of dark. I brightened it and sharpened it up.
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Reply #20 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 11:04am

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My dad took tons of slides in canada, they were absolutly amazing, sadly the machine broke and i dont know where the slides were put. if i ever find them i may invest in the scanner for them. Great photos mate
 
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Reply #21 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 11:16am

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which one?? also remember one thing and its the same thing thats put me off the idea of buying one for now, buying a DSLR doesnt mean you will get awsome shots right away, you have to do more post processing work because it doesnt usually have automatic processing work a normal  digital camera does,
Now enough of the negative, i personally cant wait to see the shots you get, have to go test it out at schipol  ya know:)


probably the Canon EOS300D (Digtal Rebel for the US people)...it's the only one i can afford right now. you are right about the post processing...but that can't hold me back of buying one.

of course Schiphol! when i have time, i'm off to spot some NW DC-10's  Wink first i'm going to practice at my local airfield (only GA), Koksijde Airshow...and of course the RIAT!  Wink
 

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Reply #22 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 11:36am

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Cool, So your going to fairford this year then? i might be going there depending on whats happening at the time.
Cant wait to see the photos.
 
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Reply #23 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 11:51am

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and that's not everything...i'm going by plane this year!!! we land and depart at RAF Fairford!!! can't wait to see a few hundred aircraft from a bird's eye view! i also avoid long queues at the entrance. if you see a Fokker 70 landing from KLM Cityhopper and you see a (nice) guy with a camera descending...you know it's me  Wink
 

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Reply #24 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 11:52am

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I look forward to seeing your shots Mr. Bones. The proof will be in the pudding. If they're anything like the ones on this page I don't think you will be disappointed. Wink http://www.militaryairshows.co.uk/dslr.htm
Some useful tips on airshow photography there too.

I see no point in comparing the average automatic "point & shoot" digital camera with a standard SLR or even a DSLR. They're as different as chalk & cheese. From what I can make out the DSLR is much the same as the SLR & does have some advantages. In the end it all comes down to your skill at using it. One chap I chatted to at Old Warden recently had a Nikon DSLR that's worth more than my car. Unfortunately I forget the type. He also had a bag full of lenses to go with it. This chap has been a photographer for many years & is serious about his hobby. He told me that it's far better than anything he's used before & he doesn't even have a PC.

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Reply #25 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 11:56am

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thanks for the link Hagar...i already knew the site but thanks anyway!

here's a link to a database of photos taken with a 300D...all of them at Schiphol: http://m4d.demon.nl/~wouter/aviation/

this guy didn't edit his shots so they came out of the camera like this...of course with some photoshop, you can improve the result alot!  Wink
 

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Reply #26 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 11:59am

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and one for Craig: http://m4d.demon.nl/~wouter/aviation/040223/IMG_0003.JPG (look at the engine exhaust behind the tail)  8)
 

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Reply #27 - Jun 5th, 2004 at 12:47pm

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niiiiice:)
 
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