Search the archive:
Simviation Main Site
|
Site Search
|
Upload Images
Simviation Forum
›
Real World
›
History
› 1979 Worst air crash in U.S. history
(Moderators: Mitch., Fly2e, ozzy72, beaky, Clipper, JBaymore, Bob70, BigTruck)
‹
Previous Topic
|
Next Topic
›
Pages:
1
2
1979 Worst air crash in U.S. history (Read 354 times)
Reply #15 -
May 26
th
, 2004 at 11:57am
Scottler
Offline
Colonel
Albany, New York USA
Gender:
Posts: 5989
Wouldn't 9/11 be considered the worst air crash in U.S. history, at least in terms of fatalities? Or are we talking single air crashes?
Incidentally, the worst (deadliest) crash in WORLD history took place on March 27, 1977 when a Pan Am 747 slammed head-on into a KLM 747 while they were both headed opposite directions on the same runway, killing 583 people.
Great edit, Bob.&&&&&&Google it. &&&&
www.google.com
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #16 -
May 26
th
, 2004 at 12:36pm
Felix/FFDS
Offline
Admin
FINALLY an official Granddad!
Orlando, FL
Gender:
Posts: 1000000627
The airline incidents on September 11, 2001 could not be considered "accidents", which is what I believe would be the qualifying characteristic for "worst airplane accident".
Felix/
FFDS
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #17 -
May 26
th
, 2004 at 12:45pm
Felix/FFDS
Offline
Admin
FINALLY an official Granddad!
Orlando, FL
Gender:
Posts: 1000000627
The worst single-airplane accident was the crash of a Japan Air Lines 747 into a mountainside with 524 souls lost.
Felix/
FFDS
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #18 -
May 26
th
, 2004 at 2:36pm
Scottler
Offline
Colonel
Albany, New York USA
Gender:
Posts: 5989
Excellent point Felix.
Great edit, Bob.&&&&&&Google it. &&&&
www.google.com
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #19 -
May 26
th
, 2004 at 11:46pm
OTTOL
Offline
Colonel
Fintas, Kuwait (OKBK)
Gender:
Posts: 918
Quote:
I totally agree Doug!
It is obvious that something snapped, why the noise then. What did they just turn their heads the other way and think nothing would happen?
Jeez, somebody should be held ACCOUNTABLE!
Dave
In their defense........As a pilot and A&P mechanic. The procedure that they were using was common up until that point on older aircraft. It's called a QEC. I'm guessing that, perhaps, a more senior mechanic who had experience on older aircraft initiated the procedure on THIS aircraft to try and save time. I would call this thinking acceptable.
When working with engines this large it is not uncommon to hear pops, creaks and groans during an install, especially when the hoisting/lifting device is removed and the engine first sits on it's own weight. An engine which weighs several thousand pounds can apply force in all sorts of directions. Mount bolts sometimes hang up in engine mounts and then "pop" into place. An airframe itself is DESIGNED to flex and weight or force applied to it can cause all sorts of interesting noises during normal maintenance procedures.
This is a case of the press playing monday morning Quarterback. I'm sure that the entire maintenance crew was put under the microscope after the crash. Some watchdog from the press gets a hold of the transcripts and the rest is history.
.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #20 -
May 27
th
, 2004 at 2:39am
Hagar
Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica
Posts: 33159
I appreciate your comments OTTOL. I know only too well how the "media" distort the facts in almost everything they report. However, from further investigation it seems that both AA & Continental were using these procedures against the advice of the manufacturer. This was not the first similar incident on the aircraft type. This is from the official report, National Transportation Safety Board Report NTSB-AAR-79-17 (1979).
http://www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de/publications/Incidents/DOCS/ComAndRep/OHare/NTSB...
Quote:
The safety board is particularly concerned that because of the limitations of the current reporting system the FAA and key engineering and maintenance personnel at American Airlines were not aware that Continental Airlines had damaged two aft bulkhead flanges on two of its DC-10s until after the accident. In December 1978, after it discovered the first damaged bulkhead, Continental apparently conducted a cursory investigation and determined that the damage resulted from a maintenance error. A repair was designed for the bulkhead and was submitted to McDonnell Douglas for stress analysis approval. The repair was approved and performed, and the aircraft returned to service.
On January 5, 1979, Operational Occurrence Report No. 107901 was published by McDonnell Douglas. The publication contained descriptions of several DC-10 occurrences involving various aircraft systems, personnel injury, and the damage inflicted on the Continental Airlines DC-10. The report described the damage to the upper flange of the Continental aircraft and indicated that it occurred during maintenance procedures used at the time it was damaged. However, the way in which the damage was inflicted was not mentioned. The manufacturer had no authority to investigate air carrier maintenance practices and, therefore, accepted the carrier's evaluation of how the flange was damaged. Since the damage was inflicted during maintenance, 14 CFR 21.3 relieved McDonnell Douglas of any responsibility to report the mishap to the FAA. Although American Airlines was on the distribution list for Operational Occurrence Reports, testimony disclosed that the maintenance and engineering personnel responsible for the pylon maintenance were not aware of the report.
Continental Airlines discovered the damage to the second bulkhead in February 1979. Again the carrier evaluation indicated that the cause of the damage was related to personnel error, and that there was apparently no extensive effort to evaluate the enginepylon assembly removal and reinstallation procedures. The bulkhead was also repaired using the procedure previously approved by McDonnell Douglas.
The carrier did not report the repairs that were made to the two bulkheads to return them to service, and there was no regulatory requirement to do so. What constitutes a major repair may be subject to interpretation, but what is to be reported is not. The bulkheads were not altered; they were repaired. Even had the repairs been classified by the carrier as major, 14 CFR 121.707(b) only requires that a report be prepared and kept available for inspection by a representative of the FAA. Second, the regulation does not indicate that the contents of the required report include a description of the manner in which the damage was inflicted. The regulation and the evidence indicated that the purpose of the reports was to permit the FAA to evaluate the end-product to insure that the basic design of the repaired or altered part had not been changed.
The Mechanical Reliability Reporting criteria of 14 CFR 121.703 requires the certificate holder to report "the occurrence or detection of each failure, malfunction, or defect concerning. . .' and then lists 16 criteria to which these apply. The FAA and apparently the aviation industry have traditionally interpreted 121.703 to apply to only service-related problems, which would therefore exclude reporting-of the flange damage caused by maintenance. In view of this interpretation, the board concludes that there is a serious deficiency in the reporting requirements which should be corrected.
Therefore, the safety board concludes that neither the air carrier nor the manufacturer interpreted the regulation to require further investigation of the damages or to report the damage to the FAA. However, the safety board views the omission of such requirements as a serious deficiency in the regulations.
On mandatory grounding & inspection directly after this incident, 4 more AA & 2 Continental DC-10s were found to have similar damage. This had obviously not been reported or repaired.
None of the parties concerned, the manufacturer, the airlines or the FAA, came out of this too well. What is not clear is whether the report's recommendations were implemented or that procedures were ever changed as a result of this terrible accident.
Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the
Fox Four Group
Need help? Try
Grumpy's Lair
My photo gallery
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #21 -
May 28
th
, 2004 at 1:58am
Pinchaser...
Offline
Colonel
Gender:
Posts: 941
hits close to home here in chicago. i have seen the video, and it is very sobering.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #22 -
Jun 1
st
, 2004 at 6:59pm
kcgxlover
Ex Member
My uncle Lou was supposed to be on American Flight 191. But he was late. He literaly, he missed it by 10 seconds. He saw the plane push back from the gate. He did not have a ride back home so he walked home, it took him a few hours and, he never knew the plane crashed until he got home. When he walked in the door he saw my whole family crying, thinking he was dead.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #23 -
Jun 1
st
, 2004 at 7:02pm
Felix/FFDS
Offline
Admin
FINALLY an official Granddad!
Orlando, FL
Gender:
Posts: 1000000627
Quote:
My uncle Lou was supposed to be on American Flight 191. But he was late. He but literaly, he missed it by 10 seconds. He saw the plane push back from the gate. He did not have a ride back home so he walked home, it took him a few hours and, he never knew the plane crashed until he got home. When he walked in the door he saw my whole family crying, thinking he was dead.
Sobering. Did he ever set to wondering why he was spared?
Felix/
FFDS
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #24 -
Jun 1
st
, 2004 at 7:05pm
kcgxlover
Ex Member
Well, recently, he recently found his long lost daughter that he hasn't seen since she was born in 1974. I think he was spared to see her.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #25 -
Jun 1
st
, 2004 at 7:11pm
Woodlouse2002
Offline
Colonel
I like jam.
Cornwall, England
Gender:
Posts: 12574
Wow. A real life soap opera!
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #26 -
Jun 1
st
, 2004 at 7:14pm
kcgxlover
Ex Member
Quote:
Wow. A real life soap opera!
I know isn't it.!
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #27 -
Jun 3
rd
, 2004 at 1:11pm
BFMF
Offline
Colonel
Pacific Northwest
Gender:
Posts: 19820
Quote:
Incidentally, the worst (deadliest) crash in WORLD history took place on March 27, 1977 when a Pan Am 747 slammed head-on into a KLM 747 while they were both headed opposite directions on the same runway, killing 583 people.
Didn't that happen on the island of Tenerife???
I've heard one of the survivor's account of what happened.
COMPLETED: If Anyone Cares, Here's A Map Of My Current FSX Flight Around The World
My Reality Check Bounced
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #28 -
Jun 3
rd
, 2004 at 3:18pm
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
yes it was Andrew.
http://aviation-safety.net/specials/tenerife/spanish-1.htm
a link to a full report of the incident.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #29 -
Jun 7
th
, 2004 at 12:09am
Wing Nut
Offline
Colonel
Hoy-Hoy!
Gender:
Posts: 14173
I live about 1 1/2 miles from that crash site. There is nothing there now to indicate what happened. The trailer park is still there, a small trucking company has set up shop on the site where the impact occured, and the training grounds for the Chicago PD police dogs is right next door. I pass the area frequently, and get chills every time I do.
HP p7-1300w
AMD Athlon II X4 650 Quad-core 3.2 Ghz
23" HP Widescreen monitor/19" Dell monitor
Windows 7 Home Premium
16 Gb DDR3 PC10600 Ram
1 Gb GeForce GTX 550Ti video card
1 TB RAID Drives
If you want to see the most beautiful girl in the world, CLICK HERE!
Back to top
IP Logged
Pages:
1
2
‹
Previous Topic
|
Next Topic
›
« Home
‹ Board
Top of this page
Forum Jump »
Home
» 10 most recent Posts
» 10 most recent Topics
Current Flight Simulator Series
- Flight Simulator X
- FS 2004 - A Century of Flight
- Adding Aircraft Traffic (AI) & Gates
- Flight School
- Flightgear
- MS Flight
Graphic Gallery
- Simviation Screenshots Showcase
- Screenshot Contest
- Edited Screenshots
- Photos & Cameras
- Payware Screenshot Showcase
- Studio V Screenshot Workshop
- Video
- The Cage
Design Forums
- Aircraft & 3D Design
- Scenery & Panel Design
- Aircraft Repainting
- Designer Feedback
General
- General Discussion
- Humour
- Music, Arts & Entertainment
- Sport
Computer Hardware & Software Forum
- Hardware
- Tweaking & Overclocking
- Computer Games & Software
- HomeBuild Cockpits
Addons Most Wanted
- Aircraft Wanted
- Other Add-ons Wanted
Real World
- Real Aviation
- Specific Aircraft Types
- Autos
- History ««
On-line Interactive Flying
- Virtual Airlines Events & Messages
- Multiplayer
Simviation Site
- Simviation News & Info
- Suggestions for these forums
- Site Questions & Feedback
- Site Problems & Broken Links
Combat Flight Simulators
- Combat Flight Simulator 3
- Combat Flight Simulator 2
- Combat Flight Simulator
- CFS Development
- IL-2 Sturmovik
Other Websites
- Your Site
- Other Sites
Payware
- Payware
Old Flight Simulator Series
- FS 2002
- FS 2000
- Flight Simulator 98
Simviation Forum
» Powered by
YaBB 2.5 AE
!
YaBB Forum Software
© 2000-2010. All Rights Reserved.