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1979 Worst air crash in U.S. history (Read 354 times)
Reply #15 - May 26th, 2004 at 11:57am

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Wouldn't 9/11 be considered the worst air crash in U.S. history, at least in terms of fatalities?  Or are we talking single air crashes?

Incidentally, the worst (deadliest) crash in WORLD history took place on March 27, 1977 when a Pan Am 747 slammed head-on into a KLM 747 while they were both headed opposite directions on the same runway, killing 583 people.
 

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Reply #16 - May 26th, 2004 at 12:36pm

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The airline incidents on September 11, 2001 could not be considered "accidents", which is what I believe would be the qualifying characteristic for "worst airplane accident".

 

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Reply #17 - May 26th, 2004 at 12:45pm

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The worst single-airplane accident was the crash of a Japan Air Lines 747 into a mountainside with 524 souls lost.
 

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Reply #18 - May 26th, 2004 at 2:36pm

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Excellent point Felix. Wink
 

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Reply #19 - May 26th, 2004 at 11:46pm

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I totally agree Doug!
It is obvious that something snapped, why the noise then. What did they just turn their heads the other way and think nothing would happen?
Jeez, somebody should be held ACCOUNTABLE!

Dave
In their defense........As a pilot and A&P mechanic. The procedure that they were using was common up until that point on older aircraft. It's called a QEC. I'm guessing that, perhaps, a more senior mechanic who had experience on  older aircraft initiated the procedure on THIS aircraft to try and save time. I would call this thinking acceptable.
When working with engines this large it is not uncommon to hear pops,  creaks and groans during an install, especially when the hoisting/lifting device is removed and the engine first sits on  it's own weight. An engine which weighs several thousand pounds can apply force in all sorts of directions. Mount  bolts sometimes hang up in engine mounts and then "pop" into place. An airframe itself is DESIGNED to flex and weight or force applied to it can cause all sorts of interesting noises during normal maintenance procedures.
This is a case of the press playing monday morning Quarterback. I'm sure that the entire maintenance crew was put under the microscope after the crash. Some watchdog from the press gets a hold of the transcripts and the rest is history.
 

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Reply #20 - May 27th, 2004 at 2:39am

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I appreciate your comments OTTOL. I know only too well how the "media" distort the facts in almost everything they report.  However, from further investigation it seems that both AA & Continental were using these procedures against the advice of the manufacturer. This was not the first similar incident on the aircraft type. This is from the official report,  National Transportation Safety Board Report NTSB-AAR-79-17 (1979). http://www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de/publications/Incidents/DOCS/ComAndRep/OHare/NTSB...
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The safety board is particularly concerned that because of the limitations of the current reporting system the FAA and key engineering and maintenance personnel at American Airlines were not aware that Continental Airlines had damaged two aft bulkhead flanges on two of its DC-10s until after the accident. In December 1978, after it discovered the first damaged bulkhead, Continental apparently conducted a cursory investigation and determined that the damage resulted from a maintenance error. A repair was designed for the bulkhead and was submitted to McDonnell Douglas for stress analysis approval. The repair was approved and performed, and the aircraft returned to service.

On January 5, 1979, Operational Occurrence Report No. 107901 was published by McDonnell Douglas. The publication contained descriptions of several DC-10 occurrences involving various aircraft systems, personnel injury, and the damage inflicted on the Continental Airlines DC-10. The report described the damage to the upper flange of the Continental aircraft and indicated that it occurred during maintenance procedures used at the time it was damaged. However, the way in which the damage was inflicted was not mentioned. The manufacturer had no authority to investigate air carrier maintenance practices and, therefore, accepted the carrier's evaluation of how the flange was damaged. Since the damage was inflicted during maintenance, 14 CFR 21.3 relieved McDonnell Douglas of any responsibility to report the mishap to the FAA. Although American Airlines was on the distribution list for Operational Occurrence Reports, testimony disclosed that the maintenance and engineering personnel responsible for the pylon maintenance were not aware of the report.

Continental Airlines discovered the damage to the second bulkhead in February 1979. Again the carrier evaluation indicated that the cause of the damage was related to personnel error, and that there was apparently no extensive effort to evaluate the enginepylon assembly removal and reinstallation procedures. The bulkhead was also repaired using the procedure previously approved by McDonnell Douglas.

The carrier did not report the repairs that were made to the two bulkheads to return them to service, and there was no regulatory requirement to do so. What constitutes a major repair may be subject to interpretation, but what is to be reported is not. The bulkheads were not altered; they were repaired. Even had the repairs been classified by the carrier as major, 14 CFR 121.707(b) only requires that a report be prepared and kept available for inspection by a representative of the FAA. Second, the regulation does not indicate that the contents of the required report include a description of the manner in which the damage was inflicted. The regulation and the evidence indicated that the purpose of the reports was to permit the FAA to evaluate the end-product to insure that the basic design of the repaired or altered part had not been changed.

The Mechanical Reliability Reporting criteria of 14 CFR 121.703 requires the certificate holder to report "the occurrence or detection of each failure, malfunction, or defect concerning. . .' and then lists 16 criteria to which these apply. The FAA and apparently the aviation industry have traditionally interpreted 121.703 to apply to only service-related problems, which would therefore exclude reporting-of the flange damage caused by maintenance. In view of this interpretation, the board concludes that there is a serious deficiency in the reporting requirements which should be corrected.

Therefore, the safety board concludes that neither the air carrier nor the manufacturer interpreted the regulation to require further investigation of the damages or to report the damage to the FAA. However, the safety board views the omission of such requirements as a serious deficiency in the regulations.

On mandatory grounding & inspection directly after this incident, 4 more AA & 2 Continental DC-10s were found to have similar damage. This had obviously not been reported or repaired.

None of the parties concerned, the manufacturer, the airlines or the FAA, came out of this too well. What is not clear is whether the report's recommendations were implemented or that procedures were ever changed as a result of this terrible accident.
 

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Reply #21 - May 28th, 2004 at 1:58am

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hits close to home here in chicago. i have seen the video, and it is very sobering.
 
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Reply #22 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 6:59pm
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          My uncle Lou was supposed to be on American Flight 191.  But he was late. He literaly, he missed it by 10 seconds. He saw the plane push back from the gate.  He did not have a ride back home so he walked home, it took him a few hours and, he never knew the plane crashed until he got home. When he walked in the door he saw my whole family crying, thinking he was dead. Cry

                                               
 
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Reply #23 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 7:02pm

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          My uncle Lou was supposed to be on American Flight 191.  But he was late. He but literaly, he missed it by 10 seconds. He saw the plane push back from the gate.  He did not have a ride back home so he walked home, it took him a few hours and, he never knew the plane crashed until he got home. When he walked in the door he saw my whole family crying, thinking he was dead. Cry

                                                   



Sobering.  Did he ever set to wondering why he was spared?
 

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Reply #24 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 7:05pm
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            Well,  recently, he recently found his long lost daughter that he hasn't seen since she was born in 1974. I think he was spared to see her.
 
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Reply #25 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 7:11pm

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Wow. A real life soap opera! Roll Eyes Grin
 

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Reply #26 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 7:14pm
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Wow. A real life soap opera! Roll Eyes Grin

I know isn't it.!  Grin
 
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Reply #27 - Jun 3rd, 2004 at 1:11pm

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Incidentally, the worst (deadliest) crash in WORLD history took place on March 27, 1977 when a Pan Am 747 slammed head-on into a KLM 747 while they were both headed opposite directions on the same runway, killing 583 people.


Didn't that happen on the island of Tenerife???

I've heard one of the survivor's account of what happened.
 
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Reply #28 - Jun 3rd, 2004 at 3:18pm

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yes it was Andrew.
http://aviation-safety.net/specials/tenerife/spanish-1.htm
a link to a full report of the incident.
 
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Reply #29 - Jun 7th, 2004 at 12:09am

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I live about 1 1/2 miles from that crash site.  There is nothing there now to indicate what happened.  The trailer park is still there, a small trucking company has set up shop on the site where the impact occured, and the training grounds for the Chicago PD police dogs is right next door.  I pass the area frequently, and get chills every time I do.   Sad
 

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