Simviation Forum - Questions about "Takeoff Trim" and "Auto Brake"

Reply #15 - Jan 18^th, 2005 at 1:49am

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Hmm, interesting flightmedic. I, too am a 172 pilot (ok, with 11.5 hours I'm a wannabe, but you get the point

Wanna Be? ??? ??? ??? ???

Don't cut yourself down bud. You are a student pilot with 11.5 hrs. PERIOD.

The only wanna be is the person who thinks less because of it Wink

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Reply #16 - Jan 18^th, 2005 at 7:30am

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Very interesting, I was taught-

Abeam the numbers and below 110 kts on downwind, flaps 10, base leg flaps 20, final flaps 30, final speed is 65 kts. You?

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Reply #17 - Jan 18^th, 2005 at 2:41pm

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Myself as follows,

-abeam threshold - full carb heat
-at 45* off end of runway in use - turn base
- full power off - drop to 80 Knots - 10* flap
- now hold 70 knots while decending with minute power adjusments if needed - trim
- call turning final - keep 70knots
- as soon as I know I can glide to runway - OFF with all power
- start flare at about 60 feet AGL and keep holding off in incriments until I have a light touchdown

We always use what ever speed we get with weather conditions at 2300 RPM

there ya go 8)

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Reply #18 - Jan 18^th, 2005 at 3:08pm

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WOW there's about two things we agree on there-

-turn base 45 off the runway,
-2300 RPMs for cruise
-and idle once you've made the runway doesn't really count, a monkey could tell me that Roll Eyes

That's about it, and I'm not even exaggerating! Our 172s dont have manual carb heat, and when we're abeam the numbers it's down to 1500 RPMs, and I've been drilled again and again to "round off"(fly level) NOT flare (I have to stress it, my CFI has yelled it at me so much Tongue

) when above the runway. I don't begin the flare until one winglength off the surface.

Amazing how different the techniques are, but come to think of it my flight school itself is very different-they have their own, modified curriculum and some very, errm, interesting instructors. Well, just cool to know that it's done differently in places. You know, from what I've seen, generally in aviation there is normally a universal teaching for things like landings, which can then be modified by the student.

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Reply #19 - Jan 20^th, 2005 at 12:52am

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No Carb heat? What yr is your plane?

Yup, it sure is neat to see how others are taught to do it. 8)

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Reply #20 - Jan 20^th, 2005 at 11:08am

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The planes are pretty new-at least the paint schemes are. They all look like a million bucks and have brand spankin new GPSs in them. I've actually never heard of a 172 with manual carb heat, this just gets more and more intersting Grin

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Reply #21 - Jan 20^th, 2005 at 2:00pm

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GPS!!!!!!!!!! Roll Eyes

.................man, until you get licensed that's cheating...... Shocked

I fly a 1974 Cessna 172.

There is no such thing as a GPS in this plane until you have finished your license. I bought a $600.00 one that clips onto the yoke and has all airport listings, maps, frequencies, ect on it. While I was trainig.....EVERYTHING...was done as dead reckoning. In fact, my FI would give me heck if I even looked at the intruments for the first 20 hours!!!! I looked at airspeed ect for T/O & landing, even then they are just glimpses....I had to learn to fly "real" VFR. all by sight.

My cross country I did I flew to the 2 airports and then on the way back he "simulated" bad weather and told me I could no higher than 1700 ft. He said"now fly me home" and actually closed his eyes and power naped!! If I had a ? my answer was " You tell me!!"
That;s easy you say....hehehehe....Before he said that he had me close my eyes and he fly all over the place. I had no idea where I was. I had to find references on my map and outside to get bearing. I'll tell you, down that low even on a clear day like it was...you can't see more than 1nm. VERY HARD to find direction and bearing. You need to be very alert.

Don't get me wrong.......GPS is "DA BOMB" as the young kids say these days...hehehe......it is the only way to fly now.....BUT if I ever get a problem with it......I won't be lost or worried because of the VFR training.
Do you have to do any dead reckoning in your course?

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Reply #22 - Jan 20^th, 2005 at 2:55pm

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Whoa, whoa, whoa there buddy! We make too many assumptions! Shocked

You got heck? I get SLAPPED if I even turn my head in the general direction of the GPS screen. I was saying we had GPSs to demonstrate how modern the aircraft are, not to say that I'm using them. Wink

Pilotage+DR is fun, innit? Just flew my first cc about two weeks ago, learned a LOT, specifically what would make good visual waypoints (somebody's house w/cows=BAD). But my CFI didn't wasn't gonna leave the controls with me while he slept, no sir. NOBODY trusts a fifteen year old that much, even if I am his star student (he doesn't like teaching old people, prefers the young starry-eyed guys) Grin

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Reply #23 - Jan 20^th, 2005 at 5:41pm

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OLD!!!!!????????? Lips Sealed

..........THEM FIGHT"N WORDS BRO...... Grin

I only got 13 yrs on ya...I'm not that decreped yet...LOL

Once we move to Wisconsin, I am looking forward to continue on new aircraft. I have seen a few and it must be nice. Not that mine isn't bad, I love flying it, but ya know...

Brent

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Reply #24 - Jan 20^th, 2005 at 6:20pm

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Ya know, a used hawker is only 350k now... Grin

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