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Apr 19th, 2004 at 11:21am

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I recently upgraded from FS2002Pro to FS2004.  The default Cessna seems to work just fine.  But, when I try to switch to another plane, FS2004 immediately exits to the WindowsXP Desktop just like as though I quit the program.  It does not even try to create the raster files.  It just exits.  I upgraded my video driver with no effect.  The only other plane I can fly is the helicopter (which I still don't know how to use .....  8(

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Reply #1 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 12:26pm

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Are you able to use any of the default FS2004 aircraft ???
Not all aircraft from fs2002 will work in fs2004 I rember having something like this happening before. But I can not remember what the exact problem was I removed the airplane and stay away from fs2002 planes.
was the default cessna you used from fs9 or fs2002 ???
Did you copy files from FS2002 to fs2004
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 12:31pm

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I have not transferred any FS2002 planes to FS2004.  The planes that cause FS2004 to exit to the Windows XP Desktop are all the default built in planes that come with FS2004.  Only the default Cessna and for some reason the helicopter work.  Nothing else will load.

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Reply #3 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 1:25pm

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That is a new one Roll Eyes I recently had a problem where I could not select the default B747 every time i did FS would stop responding. I wound up completly uninstalling FS and reinstalled. Sounds to me like this is where you are heading as well make sure you copy any addon scenery and aircraft you might have before you uninstall. Remember after you uninstall to remove the old folder before you reinstall 8)
I tried everything I could think of before I unistalled but no luck.
I wish I had a better idear but that sounds like it might be the only answer. If you still have the same problem after the reinstall I think I would give M$ a call you might have a bad disk or a illeagel copy
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 10:38pm

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The only reason I have not tried re-installing is that I wanted to wait till I got some feedback from folks like you.  I'll wait a bit yet in the hopes that others have some ideas.

I probably won't waste my time contacting M$.  I've already looked at their support for FS2004.  Its abysmal.  Almost like they didn't even write or sell the program!

I'm absolutely sure my copy is legit.  Its from a major distributor in the original sealed metal box that alone would be a lot harder to forge than the software.

Thanks for trying to help.
 

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Reply #5 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 11:24pm

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Maybe you got a corrupt install?

Try searching through your CD's (the xx.cab files) and re-extract your aircraft and gauges, then overwrite the ones you have currently.

If that doesn't work, then it looks like a re-install might be your only choice.

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Reply #6 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 7:08am

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Have you got any addon scenery installed as well? I had EXACTLY the same problem using some scenery - would CTD when i changed craft, irrespective of location. Removed offending scenery (the most recently installed) from the CFG, and this fixed it. Dont ask why, but it did!

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Reply #7 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 7:38am

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Susquatch. What are your system specs? I suspect this is a display driver issue. You might like to check your video card manufacturer's site for the latest DX-compatible drivers. Also visit the Windows Update site for critical/recommended updates (especially drivers) & install the latest DirectX 9.0b.
 

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Reply #8 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 3:12pm

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  I think I would try ric bakers idea on removing all of the default air craft and reinstall them by unzipping the Gameone.cab file on disk 1. Put them in a different folder other than in FS, then click and drag them over to FS and overwrite any old files. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope this helps if not. then you might not have any other way to fix this without doing a reinstall.
  lots of luck 8)
 
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Reply #9 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 6:21pm

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I'll try the cabinet extract.  Might have to dig out my old notes on how to do that, but sounds like its worth a try.
 

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Reply #10 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 6:24pm

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No add on scenery, planes, or anything  .... yet!
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 6:44pm

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Hagar:

Already loaded latest drivers and patches and DX9b.  It was the very first things I tried.

System specs are 2.2GHz Intel, with 1Gb RAM, ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 9800, DVDR/W, CDRom, CDR/W, Creative Audigy Platinum, 90Gb/60Gb HDrives, M$ SideWinderPro Joystick.  Doubt there are hardware problems as system has worked great for over a year with tons of other stuff.
 

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Reply #12 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 6:49pm

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OK. Just thought it worth mentioning. Maybe the others are correct & you somehow have a corrupt install. Treat CAB files in the same way as zipfiles. You can extract them with WinZip or whichever utility you use for unzipping files.

If that doesn't work the reinstall of FS9 would be the quickest way out. I can't promise it will fix your problem.

Good luck. Smiley
 

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Reply #13 - Apr 22nd, 2004 at 10:50am

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Hagar:

"Treat CAB files the same as ZIP files". 

Hmmmm.  That never worked for me.  Always had to use "Extract *.* filename.cab".  Could never know what I was getting till I did the extract!

My own favorite zip utility does not work with Cab files.  Perhaps I'll look around at a few others including WinZip to see what I can find since that does seem to be a LOT EASIER!!! ......  if it works.
 

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Reply #14 - Apr 22nd, 2004 at 11:20am

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Winzip will work fine. I use ALLZIP, I like some of the feature it has. But winzip works ok and you will have to extract the cab file but you will see what you are extracting. Set up a folder to put unzipped files into do not unzip any file straight into FS as this could cause headaches 8)
 
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Reply #15 - Apr 22nd, 2004 at 11:58am

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garymbuska:

> "I use ALLZIP, I like some of the feature it has."

I used Google to try and find AllZip.  No luck.  For some dumb reason, all the results are very old (not likely to work with XP) or refer to gardening!

Do you have a link?  Is it freeware?
 

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Reply #16 - Apr 22nd, 2004 at 1:14pm

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SUSQUATCH It was freeware and I dont know if it will work on XP but I do not see why it wont. I found this link using WEB Crawler looking for "ALLZIP"
http://sac.itb.it/pack
scroll down the list and you will see ALLZIP.zip
 
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Reply #17 - Apr 22nd, 2004 at 10:18pm

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Garymbuska:

Thanks for the link.  I downloaded the file with some reservations.  It was created in 1996.  On looking at the contents, I found that the AllZip utility actually requires that the user have the PKZip/PKUNzip files in the path as well.  I am very familiar with the PKWare zip programs.  The guy who wrote PKWare software was the original inventor of the zip format.  I believe his name was "Phil Katz" - hence "PK" ware.  Phil passed away many years ago - a very very sad story.  In any event, all these programs are actually DOS programs.  They began life as CPM programs before DOS was developed.  I loved them all at the time.  But, their day passed by a long long time ago.  Based on the readme file in the AllZip "zip" file you linked me to, I did another search for the author of allzip.  It too is long gone. 

I shall take a look at AllZip, but am reluctant to put a lot of learning into something that has probably been replaced by much better and stronger tools that work better with XP. 

That said, anything that allows me to extract cab files and get FS2004 working properly is probably well worth the effort.

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Reply #18 - Apr 23rd, 2004 at 3:46am

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That said, anything that allows me to extract cab files and get FS2004 working properly is probably well worth the effort.

Try the evaluation version of WinZip. http://www.winzip.com/downwzeval.htm I notice it now has a time limit but 21 days should be long enough to open those CAB files & see if that fixes your problem. Of course, there is no guarantee that it will.

It occurs to me that a full Uninstall/Install of FS9 would have been a lot quicker than all this messing around. Wink

PS. Many people seem to like WinRar for some reason. http://download.com.com/3000-2250-10007677.html
I tried it once but don't remember if it will open CAB files. I prefer WinZip myself & wouldn't be without my fully registered version.

PPS. As CAB is a M$ format I'm surprised that the WinXP unzip utility cannot open them.
 

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Reply #19 - May 1st, 2004 at 9:50pm

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Well OK.  It took forever, but I have fixed my video drivers and also completely re-installed FS2004.

Guess What?  ......  Same problem.  &^%^&%())9

But I have learned a wee bit more that perhaps one of you bright folks will be able to use.

It seems that I can indeed fly a "few" other prop planes but ..... only if I turn off the gauge view!  Also, OI have to start the program with the cessna and then turn off the gauges (use w to switch screen views) then switch to one of the other prop planes, and the program will run. 

If I try to switch to a panel view, it will crash to the desktop.  No jet engine planes will even load.

The MSoft error report indicates the error occurred in "panels.dll".

I tried extracting the panels.dll file from the original cd using WInZip.  No problem doing that, but the program still crashed the same way.

I'm thinking there is nothing wrong with panels.dll, but that one of the advanced gauges that load with the fancier planes is causing my trouble.

Any other ideas?

Any other ideas?
 

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Reply #20 - May 2nd, 2004 at 6:48am

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Hmm, I'm sorry to hear that you are still having your problem.

If you have re-installed FS, then it sounds like a problem with windows itself.

FS calls upon alot of windows files, including VB runtime files and sometimes GDI and GDI+ resourses, so I suggest checking these and re-installing them. You might also want to update your DirectX files.

VB Runtime files: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=BF9A24F9...

MS GDI+ source: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=BFC0B436...

DX9.0b: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/default.aspx?url=/windows/directx/downl...

I hope this helps,

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