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Apr 10^th, 2004 at 12:09am

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At last, I just installed a new Radeon card. WOW what a defferance it makes in FS9. Thanks to all for the great advice and info on the cards it sure helped to decide on which card to get.

But with the good there is always a little bad. In my case the Radeon 9600XT is freeze up my comp., and the only thing I can do is to power down. No mouse or keyboard inputs at all.

Has anyone else had this problem? My spec are:

AMD Athlon
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Radeon 9600XT 128 mb

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #1 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 4:47am

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Have you tried turning VPU recover off, and set the AGP setting to 4x.

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Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 8:32am

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Hi. Another thought..........

Did you set the video aperature correctly in your BIOS setup screen? Is the XT card actually a 128M card....or a 256 like the XT designation for the 9800?

Not sure if that would do it..... but it might.

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Reply #3 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 11:34am

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aperture is the system memory that is given to the GFX card if it needs it, not the memory size of the graphics card. You should set your aperture to 64MB or 128MB, or if you have a gig of RAM, 256MB.

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Reply #4 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 11:40am

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My 9600 Pro used to lock up with antialiase on with the 3.7 driver out of the box. It's been ok on that issue since I went to the 3.8 or 9 driver and later.

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Reply #5 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 11:49am

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I use Cat 4.3 (Cat 4.1 came with the card,) i have absolutely no problems at all.

Maybe a driver update will help you. The links in my sig \/

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Reply #6 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 1:32pm

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aperture is the system memory that is given to the GFX card if it needs it, not the memory size of the graphics card. You should set your aperture to 64MB or 128MB, or if you have a gig of RAM, 256MB.

Hum.... my understanding is that it should be set to match the video card RAM. If you have a 64 eg card... you set 64 m4g....and so on.

Am I wrong?

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Reply #7 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 1:52pm

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You need to set it according to what system memory you have:
RAM Aperture
128MB 64MB
256MB 64/128MB
512MB 128MB
1GB 256MB

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Reply #8 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 2:01pm

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Hi Everyone and thanks for the replys.

Hyvry1_Delta, I've now got the VPU recover off, AGP was set at 4X.

JBaymore: The spec's in the disply panel say that it has 128 mb, and the driver is ver 3.8. I'm not sure how to set the video aperature in BIOS, or what it is set to.

I will try looking into the BIOS and see what I can do there.

Also I was thinking of adding another fan in case it is heat
related. Will let you know what I find out. Thanks.

An after thought; my pre-installed vid card is on the motherboard, How do I disable it, and could it be causing problems ???

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #9 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 2:58pm

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It’s your PSU this card needs heavy loads of power, I’ve seen many people having strange lockups after some upgrades (including me). If you have a 420 PSU the problem might be something else, if you have a 350W PSU and your monitor is plugged into it try to plug into another source of power this might be enough.

PS: For the best performance your AGP aperture size should be 50% of your memory.

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Reply #10 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 4:37pm

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BR; Not sure what rating the PSU is, it is stock. I did learn on another not not to plug the monitor into the PSU the hard way Wink

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If I could I would set AGP aperture to 50%, but the BIOS will only let me set it at 256, 25%. Thats the highest option there was.

After making the changes, I reset my screen size from 1024 x768 to 1280 x 1024, then after flying for abt and hr, it froze up again. At 1024x768 it didn't freeze. So I'm thinking it is over heating.

PS: It froze up while I was writing this, got it back by going into sleep mode and back out again???

I'll put in another fan now, and will check the psu, and if need be upgrade it as well.

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #11 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 5:36pm

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The 50% thing only works on memory sizes below 512MB, then it becomes 25%, so you setting it to 256MB is good. Have you updated your graphics drivers?

Also if it was heat related on the GFX card you would get strange things appearing on the screen.

Do you have temperature monitoring?
Straight after it crashes get the temperature. For me i have (after heavy gaming session):
49C CPU
39C Case
36C GFX Card (was 45C when i had Win98se, strange!!!)

Also what PSU are you using, Rating, Brand, etc.
After deciding it is not heat, try removing things that are not absolutely necessary for your system, like second cd-drives and USB devices etc. If the crashes stop after this it almost certainly PSU related.

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Reply #12 - Apr 10^th, 2004 at 9:10pm

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Hyvry1_Delta; I'm really begining to think that it is the psu. At this moment my case is open, there are fans running on the cpu, graffics card, and in the psu. Plus I installed a fan just below the card that pulls heat away from and out the back and still it will lock up.

So I guess I'll have to tear it down and get a bigger psu. I don't heat montering ablities, except for the cpu and it is at 44* C according to speedfan.

It really looks like it is the psu.

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #13 - Apr 11^th, 2004 at 4:23am

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If you look at the sticker on the PSU could you post the Brand and Power rating, then we will have a better idea as to whether it is the PSU.

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Reply #14 - Apr 11^th, 2004 at 4:48am

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Hyvry1_Delta; I think we might have discovered the problem, if the model # below indicates the wattage then I need a bigger psu.

PSU = Made by Bestec, model # ATX-250-12E.

I beleave the psu is a 250 watt unit, and that I'm sure is to low.

Am I wrong on this?

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #15 - Apr 11^th, 2004 at 6:40am

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250w is too low, especially as the PSU is generic. Generic PSUs don't give as much power as they say they do. It would explain why it dies in games, where the power usage is at its highest. What other components have you got in your comp, right down to each fan.

I use a 350w Antec SL350 and i have absolutely no problems.

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Reply #16 - Apr 11^th, 2004 at 7:55pm

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Hyvry1_Delta, When I finnally found the wattage, I was sure that might be the problem.

Items inside the computer are: 1 100 GB HHD, 1 CD-RW drive, 1 DVD drive (play only), there are four fans, A psu fan, A cpu fan, A fan on the graffics card, and a cyclone blower fan made by Antec.

Also do you know how to disable the vidio card that is in the motherboard?

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #17 - Apr 11^th, 2004 at 8:05pm

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If you go into yor bios you may be able to disable it there, this is if your mobo is jumperless. If it is not you will need to look up your mobos manual for the jumper settings to do this. You may also be able to find this info on the net.

Try removing hardware not necessary to your systems operation, then run FS9, if still crashes it may your PSU if way under powered for the job or something else, if it fixes it it will be your PSU and getting a newer, higher power rated, non Generis one will sort out the problem.

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Reply #18 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 5:13am

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Hyvry1_Delta, The over heating I'm sure now is in the psu, disconected both the dvd and cd drives, with screen res at 1260 x 980 and had no lockups, reconected them and in abt 20 min., locked up. By reduceing my screen res down to 1024 x 768 I can run for a couple of hours. So I'll be getting a new psu as soon as I can.

As for disabling the on board graffics card, talked to the manufactur. Turns out that when I installed a new card the on board one is disabled automaticly. Thats good at least.

Thanks for the help.

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #19 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 5:18am

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If you want to check how much wattage you should have this site may be of help:

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

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Reply #20 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 7:24am

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I find that site predicts it too high.

If you list your complete system specs we could decide what would be best. A 350W Antec/Enermax or Thermaltake will be ok if you don't o/c.

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Reply #21 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 10:46pm

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Bird man, I went to the site and is says I need 310.

Hyvry1_Delta, I've listed my spec's below, that is except for the second monitor I'm trying to set up.

I found a locale soarce for a 450 watt Antec PSU today for under $60, I think I'll get it. They didn't have a 350 watt one. And I don't really want to put a 300 in, that would not be much of an upgrade I'm afraid.

One other thing I forgot in my spec's, my processor is a 1.8

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #22 - Apr 15^th, 2004 at 2:51am

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The 450 Antec will be perfect. You will instantly know the quality of the Antec when you lift the thing. It weighs so much more than other PSUs. It feels so sturdy. Also when i first put my Antec in my power rails went extremely level, where as my old generic PSU was jumping all over the place. It will be quieter aswell. Also your system temperature should decrease a bit.

My system:Intel Q6600@3.6GHz, Corsair XMS2 4GB DDR2-6400 (4-4-4-12-1T) , Sapphire 7850 OC 2BG 920/5000, X-Fi Fatality, Corsair AX 750, 7 Pro x64

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Reply #23 - Apr 15^th, 2004 at 3:29am

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Might as well get as big as you can! Especially with these new graphics cards on the way!

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It will be quieter aswell. Also your system temperature should decrease a bit

Not so quiet if its the only thing drawing air out of a case with no front/side air intakes with a P4c 3.2 and a 9800XT!! I think I may have to venture into the case modding comunity!

My temperatures after SimV browsing:
CPU - 42c
MB - 31c
GPU - 73c !!!!!!! What!!!!

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Reply #24 - Apr 15^th, 2004 at 3:33am

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After realising it was that hot - off came the cover and on goes the mini-room fan!

I hate to think what happens when I play games!!!!!

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Reply #25 - Apr 15^th, 2004 at 7:33am

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My GPU idles at 35C and maxes out at 40C (on a hot day, during a demanding game). I have a case fan blowing air out at the back, my PSU has two fans blowing air out of the back. My CPU has a fan, this is not a stock HSF, because i don't like the noise of the stock ones, also the CPU one is much larger than the stock CPU one. I have a fan on my GPU. that all my fans.

Right now (I was using FS9 just 5 mins ago):
CPU 46C
Case 37C
GPU 35C

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Reply #26 - Apr 15^th, 2004 at 5:24pm

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Hyvry1_Delta; What is a GPU?

I've now got the antec 350 psu installed and an additional case fan. Didn't have one befor. There are two fans on the psu, one pulling from inside the case the other blowing it out.

I can only hookup to fans to be monitored to the mobo. I'm using speedfan to monitor but it only displys on temp on my task bar and not sure whitch one it is.

Just discovered that I can have speedfan window open on the other monitor, neat, at least I can watch both temps now.

What program do you use to monitor your fans?

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #27 - Apr 15^th, 2004 at 5:37pm

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GPU=Graphics Processing Unit

I use Gigabyte Motherboard Utility Manager.
I use the Overdrive feature on my 9600xt to tell me my GPU temperature.

My case fan is hooked up straight to the PSU so it is not recorded by the motherboard. It uses a different connector so it cannot be plugged into my motherboard.

Also have your problems gone now?

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Reply #28 - Apr 15^th, 2004 at 6:23pm

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Hyvry1_Delta, Haven't had a chance to fly just yet, sence I had to take down the comp, I decided to rearrange the desk and move everything around. I have at least taken a look and found that the flickering of the curser has stoped. Looking at speedfan right now and it says one fan is ok @ 49c and the other is cool @ 36c not sure witch one is witch

Is "Gigabyte Motherboard Utility Manager" a program that can be d/l, or did it come with your comp?

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #29 - Apr 15^th, 2004 at 7:04pm

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I got the software with my motherboard. Do you use a Gigabyte motherboard?

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Reply #30 - Apr 16^th, 2004 at 2:20am

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Hyvry1_Delta, I have no idea what mobo is in this emachine. I know that the cpu is an AMD, and the chipset is VIA.

As for my problem: IT'S GONE, no freeze ups after two hrs of flying, the two temps that I can monitor are 51c and 37c. I think the 51c is my cpu. I might try disconnecting the fans one at a time and see what goes to what.

A long with the freeze ups being gone I don't see any of the little items as well, ie scenery flickering is very minor and the cursor doesn't flicker as well.

Still have the ATC stuttering, I think that is with in the program.

Thanks to everyone for all the help and info. It will make simming so much nicer.

Steve&&&&CPU: Intel Pentium 4 519 3.06 GHz &&Memory: 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC3200 (400MHz) DIMM &&Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 Graphics&&Motherboard: Intel Augsburg &&SATA 8MB Cache 160GB 7200 &&CD R/W ROM, DVD-R/RW&&1 CPU FAN, 1 ANTEC FAN&&300 W PSU, WITH FAN &&FS9/2002&&

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Reply #31 - Apr 16^th, 2004 at 6:08am

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I am 99% sure the 51C fan is the CPU.

No prob Grin

Grin

Here is my monitoring stuff: (this whilst browsing net)

The first speed is the PSU fans, it assumes they are failing because they are spinning less than 1500rpm, it states that it does this in the manual so no problems there.

My system:Intel Q6600@3.6GHz, Corsair XMS2 4GB DDR2-6400 (4-4-4-12-1T) , Sapphire 7850 OC 2BG 920/5000, X-Fi Fatality, Corsair AX 750, 7 Pro x64

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