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Mar 26th, 2004 at 5:00am

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Ok, the plan right now is to goto college this autumn as some people know. However there is no gaurentee in that happening for various reasons. So if it doesnt i want to put the money i will have into getting enough licenses to get a paying flying job. I would like to get my instructor rating at very least, so which licenses MUST you get to get there. All these sites basically lay it out as though you have $45,000's to spend on getting them all so are of little help.
Thanks for any help
 
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Reply #1 - Mar 26th, 2004 at 10:00am

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heres a site for a local fbo here www.skyschoolinc.com

I think these would be the minimum to both fly for money and instruct (in single engine aircraft)

"Private Pilot Course Cost:  $4,170.00

 
SKYschool's published course is based on the Cessna 152 training airplane and the FAA required minimum forty hours of flight time.  However, the national average flight time to complete the course is nearly seventy hours, so unless the student is particularly capable and self motivated, the cost will probably be higher than as published.  Higher performance training airplanes such as the Cessna 172 or Piper Warrior will also add to the course cost.

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Instrument Rating Course Cost:  $4,373.00

 
The applicant for an instrument rating must hold a Private Pilot Certificate and have 40 hours of instrument time before taking the checkride.  This course is priced to include the 40 hours, but hood time from private training and subsequent "safety pilot" hood time is applicable to that hour minimum and may reduce the cost of the rating.

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Commercial Pilot Course Cost:  $1,981.00

 
This course is priced to include ten hours dual in a complex airplane (Piper Arrow) and five hours ground instruction in preparation for the checkride.  Prerequisites include 250 hours total flight time.

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Certified Flight Instructor Course Cost:  $2,920.00

 
Applicant must possess a valid Commercial Pilot Certificate.  This course includes 15 hours of flight instruction, five in a primary trainer Cessna 152, and ten in an advanced trainer Piper Arrow.  Twenty hours of concentrated ground instruction is included.
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Reply #2 - Mar 26th, 2004 at 10:50am

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thank you for the info:)
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 26th, 2004 at 10:17pm

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oh wait, you're in the UK arent you?

I know for sure that in the USA you can start flying for money with a commercial rating, but whether you can carry passengers for money "is a gray spot,"      
qoute from my instructor, I havent bothered looking this up yet to see whats so gray about it....


but with a commercial rating I believe you can tow banners and fly some cargo flights
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2004 at 12:07am

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You CAN fly for money with a Commercial License you can't CHARGE money as an individual. That's the basic jist of it.

There are exceptions. ie: compensation for expenses by passengers, volunteer of pilot service for compensation in regard to religious benefit(ie:disaster relief), transportation of individuals in a private corporation(for which the  pilot must work!). I don't think these apply to the original question though.

Getting a Commercial ticket is like getting the multi. When you first get either, they are all but useless! Most people won't rent a multi-aircraft to a pilot with 20hrs multi and a new license and most people won't hire a Commercially rated pilot with no Commercial experience. This is the gap that flight instructing and banner towing fills.

Meinas in right.......to become a CFI you must have PVT through COMM and also have spin training(in the US), it averages anywhere from $20,000-$50,000 USD.
 
.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
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Reply #5 - Mar 27th, 2004 at 12:41am

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Reply #6 - Apr 3rd, 2004 at 10:06am

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Thanks for the info guys, the only thing thats making this impossible is the 250 hours required for the commercial, just throws the costs way to high for me. This young cragling would be happy right now banner towing and flight instructing. Right now i am looking into just what i can get with $18,000, well maybe $14,000 after living expenses. Flying here in the UK is just to expensive.
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 3rd, 2004 at 11:41am

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does the U.K. have anything like a civil air patrol? in the US if your part of it, you can be reimbursed for the flying you have done for them.
 
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Reply #8 - Apr 3rd, 2004 at 11:45am

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i dont do military. I dont take orders:) thats why i am not in the airforce right now in the end.
 
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Reply #9 - Apr 4th, 2004 at 1:06am

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i dont do military. I dont take orders:) thats why i am not in the airforce right now in the end.



its not military, its civilians, I believe they help with search and rescue, almost like part time coast guard Wink
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 4th, 2004 at 2:06am

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then no we dont:) i believe
 
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Reply #11 - Apr 4th, 2004 at 3:18am

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heres a link just to give you a better idea of what Im babbling on about.
http://www.cap.gov/
 
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Reply #12 - May 11th, 2004 at 6:14pm

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I'm not sure if they serve the UK or not, or if there's a UK equivalent, but there's a company called Pilot Finance that you might want to look into as well.

www.pilotfinance.com

If you don't deal well with order taking, perhaps a career in the airline industry isn't for you.  You have to answer to scheduling, your union, etc....

Come to think of it, maybe a job period isn't your thing.  They all tell you to do things.   Wink
 
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Reply #13 - May 12th, 2004 at 4:04am

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most jobs do it in a friendly polite way:) Usually, the military does it in a yell into your face thinking it will get you to do it way. Thats what i dont do.
Thanks for the link will give it a check
 
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Reply #14 - May 14th, 2004 at 9:42am

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You only get yelled at during Boot Camp.  Once that's done, it's hug and munch all the way to Chicago. Wink
 
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Reply #15 - May 15th, 2004 at 1:38am

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Hi!
.....I'm an italian pilot,and I own all licenses untill Airline pilot (ATPL).....
I have to be honest with you,sadly to become a pilot is very,very,very expansive!
For all my licenses (commercial,atpl,mcc) and something about 750 flight hours,i've spent about 80.000 EURO!Or more!
And I'm still looking for a job!!!
Don't trhust who tell you taht it's easy and cheap!COMPLETELY WRONG!!
It's true that the comercial licese allows you to work.....but especially in theese last years it's terribly difficult to get a job just with the license and 250 flight hours!Becouse the pilots market it's fully busy,and there are too many pilots with a lot of experiences around!!
Sadly,that's it!
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Reply #16 - May 15th, 2004 at 3:11am

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hi Lux, thank you for your input, and i am aware of the costs involved, thats why i am waiting to get to the US, where it at least cuts in half the cost from what it would cost here.
Thank you again and best of luck finding the job you want
 
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Reply #17 - May 15th, 2004 at 9:59am

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Craig...do you want FAA or JAA licences?
Because there are not that many schools in USA that are JAA certified (even tho they SAY they are!!!)
It's cheaper in the US, yes...but most schools offer FAA certificates which are sadly not valid in the UK (they are a part of the JAA)

So if you want to fly in Europe, target a european school, it's the best, if that's not important, then go to America Smiley
 
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Reply #18 - May 15th, 2004 at 10:18am

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i am planning on moving to america after college. 4 years of college, plus if what i have been told is correct a possible science job after it, for 2 years that would give me 6 years of continous residence thus making me elligable for citizenship
 
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Reply #19 - May 18th, 2004 at 12:53am

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Unless during that time you meet this awesome American hottie chick and marry her, then you'd be a citizen even sooner.  lol
 
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Reply #20 - May 18th, 2004 at 4:27am

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shhhhhush:) you'll give my plan away LOL Smiley
 
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Reply #21 - May 20th, 2004 at 2:53am

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Hi!
Where are you from?
Becouse that I could suggest you is to go in Australia!!
I've been there untill a couple of weeks ago,ang i can guarantee you that there it's not too much expansive to begin.....(still reminding that it wont be too cheap....!).
And now the australian dollar is folling down!So it could be a good time for you to go there!!!
And you'll not go to fly in deserts!!
Just look at this site  www.volareinaustralia.com
I've been there,and if you are really intentioned  to try,it could be a good chance!
However,good luck!!
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Reply #22 - May 20th, 2004 at 3:00am

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thanks for the link lux. But before i do anything else i am off to college in the US, without the degree i wont get anywhere, personally i dont want to be anywhere else but there, i have found it to be really nice where i want to end up and its cheap aswell.
I'll check out the link, thank you again
Cheers
 
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Reply #23 - May 22nd, 2004 at 4:39am

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Pleased to help you,Craig!
Good luck! Wink
 
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Reply #24 - Jun 24th, 2004 at 2:52pm

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I am going to post a link to a story which was submitted on my site!
Not really encouraging, but I think want to be pilots should know this!

http://www.compilots.com/article473.html
 
Best Regards,&&Michael Judah&&ComPilots.com&&...
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Reply #25 - Jun 24th, 2004 at 3:02pm

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thanks for the link. I am well aware of that in the end. I am willing to work for it. As i have said in the past i will be getting a degree in something totally unrelated to a specific aviation field. It will give me a chance of a job if things do go bad
 
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Reply #26 - Jun 24th, 2004 at 3:21pm

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YEA! That is good!
I just wanted you to bear that in mind!
As long as you have a clear understanding of the situation and while striving to reach your goals, keep focused on the big picture and you will succeed!

I wish you lots of luck and most importantly happy flying!  Wink



 
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Reply #27 - Jun 24th, 2004 at 3:28pm

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thank you:) in the end there is always the military if it gets to desperate. Sadly there is no real certainty in aviation future
 
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