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High speed approach (Read 1049 times)

Jan 19^th, 2004 at 8:55am

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Hi, do you know what is the term "high speed approach"? I have heard it on an online flight where the controller gave clearance for "high speed approach".

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Reply #1 - Jan 21^st, 2004 at 7:27pm

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Stay as fast as you can for as long as you can.

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Reply #2 - Jun 22^nd, 2004 at 12:47pm

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From my understanding, a high speed approach is required when flaps are unavailable. No flaps means more speed to stay aloft. Normally the Cessna 182 lands a 70-75kts with flaps. With out flaps (high speed approach) it's around 85-90kts.

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Reply #3 - Jun 22^nd, 2004 at 8:47pm

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Stay as fast as you can for as long as you can.

Just like the man says......

This terminology normally applies to aircraft which can exceed 250kts. What the controller is saying is that the (250kt-below 10,000 feet) restriction, which exists in the US, is omitted. Houston center practices this quite frequently, so you may hear this phrase on any site that broadcasts Houston.

.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......

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Reply #4 - Jun 22^nd, 2004 at 9:58pm

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OTTOL, a High speed approach was issued some days ago here aswell (not that usual)
Hope you don't mind me sharing this story.

An SAS 736 was cleared for the BACKA2F arrival (which runs just above my house) and we had some nasty thunderstorms coming in so he wanted to get down quickly.

He maintained 285kts after passing BACKA VOR for the downwind, made an idle throttle descent from FL100 (Trans. altitude is 5.000ft in Sweden) to 3000ft before turning to base. Keep in mind we have the airport speed restriction of 250/FL100 aswell

And here comes the interesting part, the pilot did a pure 'slam dunk', vertical bearing from runway threshold was some 8 degrees when he turned base while calling for flaps 15 and gear down.
Glide path to runway when he rolled out for the 5.5nm final was almost 4,5 degrees.

Textbook example huh Grin

Lucky he had the 'fat albert' (736), the same approach would be very hard to achieve in a 738 because it's a pain to let speed bleed of on the longer 737's. Tongue

Anyways, just goes to show that the people flying up there are pros to the fingertips, I envy them so much

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Reply #5 - Jun 22^nd, 2004 at 11:52pm

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Just remember that all of these people flying these big airplanes started out in small airplanes. This pilot was just using the skill that he used way back in the days of flying light aircraft. And after all, an airplane is airplane big or small.
I watched a SouthWest pilot SLIP a 737 at FLL one day, from 2,000 feet nearly down to the runway threshold. I wouldn't recommend it(I'd love to try it!) but that's not to say it can't be done.
Your example is a perfect example of energy management. This pilot used the pattern to bleed off his airspeed and applied increments of flaps at the same time. And if he is a good commercial pilot, I'll bet the passengers didn't know the difference.

.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......

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Reply #6 - Jun 24^th, 2004 at 12:15pm

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Just like the man says......

Maybe it's just an aircraft carrier thing I was referring to. Spent six years on one and to carriers, a high speed approach to us means no flaps.

What do computers and air conditioners have in common?
They both will work perfectly, until you open windows.

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Reply #7 - Jun 24^th, 2004 at 3:45pm

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I have heard it on an online flight where the controller gave clearance for "high speed approach".

.....just like the OTHER man says...........

Unless you know of a site that broadcasts live CQ's, I think he would be referring to civilian terminology. Roll Eyes

.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......

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