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Feb 7th, 2004 at 7:38pm

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I have installed an ATI Radeon 9800 pro card in my HP Pavilion system and have had nothing but problems.  It occurs mainly wihile running FS9 but not usually running other programs except my Windows Media DVD (no picture but plays audio.  I have reset BIOS back to onboard graphics card (SiS 650) It runs ok but just back to slower FPS and poorer graphics.  Is this something as simple as the wrong card? I have updated downloaded and otherwise replaced all the drivers from ATI website with no success in resolving the problem

If anyone has had similar problems with this, please respond.  The Best Buy guy who looked at my system said something about nvidea FX 5600 as possible fic as ATI and Microsoft do not always work well with each other.

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Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2004 at 8:43pm

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Skypilot,

Hi and welcome to SimV.

If you could describe the "problems" that you are experiencing.... that would help a lot.  

If it is simply slow framerates and jerkiness....... welcome to FS2004  Wink.

I have a 9800 XT (256 meg).  Just got it to try to improve over the 9600pro (128 meg) I had.  No such luck.  See the other threads here on this subject.  The processor speed and fsb are likely as important in that as the video card.... and my P4 2.4 gig 533 doesn't "cut it" too well.

If it is more than a framerates issue....... please post your system specs in detail so that people here can help you figure it out.

Oh yeah...... the ATI drivers pretty much REQUIRE a complete and clean uninstall before putting in the new ones.  There is a driver cleaner program designed just for that issue.  The ATI uninstall seems to be problematic for some people.  And make sure that you have installed the latest version of DirectX first.

BTW... the 9800 XT is pretty much THE top end video card on the market.  

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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2004 at 10:43pm

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and my P4 2.4 gig 533 doesn't "cut it" too well.


Sure it does.  P4 2.4 is fine.
 

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Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2004 at 4:58am

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Thanks John and Silver,

Sorry I didn't mention that MS9 locks up big time on an intermettant basis sometimes it locks when it loads other times it will freeze and then yet other times it will not shut down properly, non responsive, cannot exit program with hard reboot.
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 9th, 2004 at 12:37am

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Lock n' Load huh?

That's how I feel every time HP PC's get mentioned...   Grin

You could try reinstalling the sim.

Failing that, Post in everything you know about your HP.
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 9th, 2004 at 7:58am

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The PC freezing is quite ironic due to being caused by cooling and driver conflicts. May sure you have enough air around you PC.

JBaymore,

I have a AMD 2000xp 512meg ddr 2700 7200 rpm ata133 HDD and a GF5600 ultra 256meg ddr graphics card and get frame rates of 25 fps plus depending on scenery  AA turn on triliner filtering antiscopic filtering on etc. so with you P4 2.4 you should be getting way more.
 
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Reply #6 - Feb 9th, 2004 at 10:21am

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Dubster,

Yeah.... that is what I think.... but 7 months of fiddling has not produced results.

BTW...... the issue is settings...... I am running everything maxed.  Cloud draw distance and view distance at midrange.... clouds at very dense.  And AI is 100%.  That is the way the designers intended the sim to be experienced..... so that is what I am trying to achieve.  AA on the card at 4x and ansio at 8X , screen at 1024x768x32, 75Hz.

Where do you run your settings?


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Reply #7 - Feb 9th, 2004 at 11:33am

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Hell of a system.  It is highly unlikely to be your graphics card or PC or cooling.

" I am running everything maxed.  Cloud draw distance and view distance at midrange.... clouds at very dense.  And AI is 100%.  That is the way the designers intended the sim to be experienced..... so that is what I am trying to achieve.  AA on the card at 4x and ansio at 8X , screen at 1024x768x32, 75Hz."

If you can put aside frame rate fixation, try 16 color depth, 4X FSAA and AAF, Quality Texture and MipMap.
App settings mid range all or default and 24 fps you might solve the problem.  If not; what would you be willing to sell your inadequate 9800 for?

Designers have never said their products are to be maxed in settings.  None.
 
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Reply #8 - Feb 10th, 2004 at 6:59am

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WElcome to the club of ATI problems has you can see in the forums i´ve posted several helps for the 9600 pro.My system weas always locking and i couldnt fly more than a few seconds there was loads of things to do from overheating to drivers, well i´ve solved my problem with the 4.1 from dna drivers now i´ve the flickering but hey i can live with that now that i can fly more than seconds.
And its proved that Ati have problems with configuration with hardware before anything change the drivers (I´ve install form the old ones (2.7.........4.1) to the last ones i´ve changed the cooling system anything you can imagine try to install fs9 with those drivers, just the fs9 because its also proved that other programs like cdr util may cause instability on the system.I know that you have a 9800 but it should be the same.
I know what you feel good luck, i hope it helped.
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 10th, 2004 at 12:28pm

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and who said the Ati's wasnt plauged with problems  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #10 - Feb 10th, 2004 at 1:44pm

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FS9 excellent for me.
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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2004 at 6:58am

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I have the ATI 9800XT installed on a Intel P4 2.6ghz, 512mb rdram, win XP. I have no complaints whatsoever with frame rates. I play the game in 1600x1200 32 bit with 4x AA and 8x AF.  Looks spectacular. Here's my problem. For some reason when I use the "Create a Flight" option the game will routinely crash to desktop. No other mode causes this. How do you explain that?
 
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2004 at 8:06am

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i have a 9800 Pro have never had any problems with it since i got it
 

Still have a nice PC but I just switched to a hella nice mac
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Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2004 at 9:06pm

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Bowflex,

Can you do a test for me PLEASE?  Our systems are pretty darn close in specs.  (What is your front side buss speed?)

Go into settings.  Max absolutely everything...all sliders maxed, all checkboxes checked.  Set your sight distance and cloud distance to about midrange on the available settings.  Set cloud density to very dense.  Set weather rate of change to the max.  Set weather to the "gathering storms" scenario.  Set your AI traffic to 100%.  Set screen resolution to 1024x768x32 bit.

Set time of day to noon.  Set the date to January 1, 2004.  Set aircraft to default Cesna 172, 2D panel.  Go to Seattle / Tacoma and load the default flight from there.  Sitting on the runway ready for takeoff right as you "appear" at the airport....... what are your framerates? 

Then.....take off and do a standard circuit and land back at  the same runway you took off from.  At about 800-1000 feet MSL on short final....what are your framerates?

Do you get any "stutter" effects (short little pauses in the display) on takeoff or short final?

I am REALLY curious as to what you get with this test.  Thanks.

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Reply #14 - Feb 13th, 2004 at 4:05am

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Hey John,

I know from reading your posts that you like to test your system based on sliders being maxed and the game in a default, stock situation.  My question is, are you enabling full water detail and effects??  Man I cannot stress what kind of frame rate killer that is.  I know you don't like tampering with replacement textures and seem to want to stick with a stock installation, but man...there are some damn good replacement textures out there that look a helluva lot better and hardly impact frame rates at all.  Trust me, on my machine, the default water effects set at max will kill about 5-10 frames.  

While having everything stock and set to max would seem ideal, the fact of the matter is, for whatever reasons, some default situations cause far more performance reduction than they should.  

Are you aware of the autogen "bug"?  This probably wont be an appealing "tweak" for you, but you might want to give it a try.  After experiencing the kind of boost this will give you, you may reconsider.  This is a temporary tweak that can easily be reversed.  In your FS9 foler open the autogen folder and you should see a file called default.xml.  Rename that file to default.bak.  This will disable special autogen features such as gas stations, restuarants, etc. which seem to be linked with major performance reduction.  It will give you another good 5, MAYBE 10 FPS boost.  There is still PLENTY of autogen left after this tweak.  You hardly notice a difference, unless you fly around specifically looking for restaurants or something.

I promise you, if you are in the 10-15 FPS range with a default situation at maxed sliders, the two things mentioned above will get you in the 20-25, maybe 30 range on the ground (my confidence is based on results and experiences with FS9 on two seperate computers).  There is very little you can do to permanently effect the game.  TRY these tweaks and see for yourself the kind of performance improvemnet you get.  It just might weigh in to be worth it in the end.  If not, go back to default.  That simple.
 

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Reply #15 - Feb 13th, 2004 at 11:03pm

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Silver,

Thanks for the ideas.

Yes I run the "land and water" settings.  I already have changed the water textures............mainly for the LOOK of the water.   I have no idea WHY Microsoft made the water look so bad in this version.  Fs2002 was better.

As to the autogen "bug"... yes I know about it.  At some point I will try it and see what happens to the fps.   As to looking for restaurants..... hey....a guy has to eat, you know  Wink.

Changing the water textures to the set here on SimV by  (lemoncat or something like that ?) made things look FAR better.....but that didn't buy me any FPS change that I could notice.

I have gone in to "settings" and changed the sliders/checkboxes all over the place to see how it impacts framerates for me.  I have found that the difference between a midrange setting and maxed makes almost no change in FPS no matter which effect I change.  At the most I see changes of 1-2 FPS.

And as I noted elsewhere....... when I maxed the AA and the AF on the 9800XT....... it got BETTER framerates by about 2-3 than when it was set at a lower setting.  Go figure.

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Reply #16 - Feb 13th, 2004 at 11:57pm

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Yeah I totally know what you mean about the slider changes affecting FPS.  I notice very little change for good or bad when I play with my sliders (with the exception of default water effects and weather).  Even on the card, changing AA and AS filtering seems to do very little not only performance wise, but visually.  Seems I can't decrease image quality if I wanted, especially to increase performance.  Maybe another ATI issue?!!?  My friend has an old Nvidia 128MB card and turning down sliders in his video card settings makes a world of difference.
 

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