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Jan 5th, 2004 at 11:49pm

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Well I have just started flying MP sessions on SB and have found there are not a whole lot of ATC out there.

Am I just flying into the wrong air ports?  Just 15 mins ago (21:30L/04:30GMT) I landed in an empty Las Vegas (Mac intl.) air port. Also, when I left Denver (KDEN) the ATC signed off before I ever left the ground.

So, are there servers with more ATC on them or is it just luck of the draw on if an air port is "open"? Or is it more active on weekends?

Thanks,
Flying the lonly sky's....

Kevin "Scotch" McGlothlin
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Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 5:47pm
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What network are you connecting to? I fly a lot with the Vatsim network. I use ServInfo to check out the airports and usually there is a lot of very busy airports with a lot of ATC positions manned.
ServInfo can be used with the Vatsim and IVAO network by the way. It has numerous features:
There's a world map that shows all pilots and ATC connected worldwide. Also you can see Eurobook - the ATC booking tables so you can see how long ATC will be active at airports. Very handy for flightplanning. etc etc
Just take a look at www.vatsim.net.
Al this stuff and membership with Vatsim is free. I find it very very good.

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Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 6:21pm

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I have been logging in through Squawkbox.  Not real sure how to log into a VATSIM server.
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 7:15pm
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ehmmm....This explains a lot. Squawkbox is a program, not a server.  You need it to log into a network and see other players.... You were not connected to anything I think. Squawkbox will run by itself but all it does then is monitor your flight.
Take a look at the link I gave you. I promise you, you won't regret it. At first it seems terribly difficult to get it all working but then....You will never want anything else. There are very good tutorials at the Vatsim site. You'll have online ATC (that's real people), other pilots (hundreds worldwide at the same time), real life procedures....
It is the best step I ever took with Flight Simulator.

It is very realistic though. I do not know if that's what you're after.
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Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 7:19pm
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At the Vatsim site, look at the left part of it. Under Member Services you'll find  "About Vatsim". Read this and if you like it, look further down in the same column under "Pilots downloads". You'll find everything you need.

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Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 9:04pm

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ehmmm....This explains a lot. Squawkbox is a program, not a server.  You need it to log into a network and see other players.... AJ


That is what I am after, but no where (that I have found after 5 days of looking) is there at spot that says "LOG INTO VATSIM SERVER HERE" or "HOW TO LOG INTO A VATSIM SERVER". 

Everything I have read sais that you log into a multi-player mode in FS, then go to SB and log in there and that is all.

AVC keeps telling me I need to "log into a VATSIM server" but no where does it say how or where.

Please be patient with me. I am at my rope's end with this.  I realy have been trying for over a week just to get SB to work. This is no longer fun, it is my Everest!


 

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Reply #6 - Jan 7th, 2004 at 12:24am

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one suggestion I have is try an FShost server.
someof them have a dedicated hop list that start you out at an airport and tell you where to fly to, when you arrive at the next stop it will give you a new destination.
these servers run to all kinds from the most serious to the most casual
I fly most of the time on skysserver which is a 24 hour dedicated server.
to me it's a good blend, not too serious but not childish.
there is no ATC so every airport is treated like an uncontorlled or UNICOM.
the hoplist changes every saturday and runs all week with a mixture of hops from major airports to bush destinations like mountain tops and lakes.
the server is monitored and you are expected to stay on the hoplist.
 

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Reply #7 - Jan 7th, 2004 at 11:58am
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Scotch,
No worries Grin. I know what you are going through. The same happend to me and quite a lot of other people. Some even give up. But believe me, once you understand it it is all really pretty easy and you'll be flying online within 5 minutes. The first tries took me hours..... Just a routine you'll have to master. So yes, I'll be patient. No problem at all.

Well, assuming you want to fly with Vatsim (as J3 pointed out, there are easier ways to do multiplayer but they are nowhere near as realistic. Vatsim is a serious but really nice, friendly and addictive environment which simulates real life flying extremely well) I'll try to talk you through the steps.

First: register with Vatsim. You'll need a Vatsim ID and password to log onto their servers. So go to the Vatsim site and apply. You'll have to read quite a lot for this as they have a couple of rules etc which you must understand and agree with.

Next. Go to the pilots downloads section and download the Squawkbox tutorial. It will explain exactly what software you need. This would be Squawkbox, SBRelay if you have FS2004, AVC, SBHost. I'd recommend ServInfo too.
Set it all up as described. You'll have to enter your Vatsim ID and password in Squawkbox and AVC.

Now you're ready to connect.
For this go to the Vatsim homepage and scroll down the middle part of the page until you see the Multiplayer Tutorial for FS2004 [Using SBHost]. Follow all the steps and you will be fine.

Please go through all these steps. If there is a problem you want help with please describe exactly what you did before the problem occured.
I'll be more then happy to help you as much as I can.

Good luck
AJ
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2004 at 2:35pm

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Quote:
... I'd recommend ServInfo too. Set it all up as described. You'll have to enter your Vatsim ID and password in Squawkbox and AVC.



I have done all the steps you recomend except for the ServeInvo. I'll get that one when I get home.


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Now you're ready to connect.
For this go to the Vatsim homepage and scroll down the middle part of the page until you see the Multiplayer Tutorial for FS2004 [Using SBHost]. Follow all the steps and you will be fine.

Please go through all these steps. If there is a problem you want help with please describe exactly what you did before the problem occured.
I'll be more then happy to help you as much as I can.

Good luck
AJ


I'll do that. And thank you!

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Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2004 at 4:25pm
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Kevin,
You're welcome Cheesy
5 minutes ago I finished a flight from Amsterdam to Dublin with a lot of traffic over the UK, ATC at Amsterdam tower, departure and radar, 2 controllers over the UK, Dublin approach was online and Dublin tower as well. Plus the weather at Dublin (which is realtime with Vatsim) was terrible. It was so cool.
Just so you know what to expect. Grin
Once you get it running the hard part starts...you'll have to talk, fly and navigate at the same time. This game just isn't the same as off-line.

I'll check this post again tomorrow.
Good luck

AJ

Cheers
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Reply #10 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 12:44am

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Thanks for all of your help!

Looks like I have it all set up.  I managed to launch out of Seattle (no ATC) but by the time I was close to Denver there was an ATC there.

All was going well untill about 50 mi out, clear streaght in, I did something wrong trying to communicate and crashed. Also, the AC noise was so loud I had to turn the sound off to hear the ATC. So in the process of flying, turning the sound on and off and text communicating back to the ATC I fell out of the sky. Three hours for nothing.

Payday I am off to get a decent head set and mic. Mine has so many shorts that the ATC could not hear half of what I was saying.

Well maby not a total loss. I know now that it's all working even though it still needs tweeking.

I will have to say this though.  With as long as FS has been around and it's obvous popularity, you'd think we could do all of this with one program, two at best. This whole thing of having to operate 5 diffrent programs is nuts.  But that's MS for you.

I play half life (DoD actualy) and all I do is log into a game on-line and I am in, voice comm and all, with players from all over the world.  Maby the nature of FS prevents that but it's still there has to be a way.


OT:  AJ, I see you have a P-2 photo and go by PH-AJH, by any chance are/were you a Navy Photographer?

Thank you again all and esp AJ for all of your help.

Kevin "Scotch" McGlothlin
 

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Reply #11 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 6:16am
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Kevin,
Grin Grin Grin
Glad you worked it out.
Some suggestions:
Sound. On my system I have a soundcard to which the flightsimulator sends it sounds, so they come from my desktop speakers. AVC gives you the option of receiving/sending through different sound devices (in the "audio setup" section) so under "output device" I selected the onboard soundsystem and I plugged my headphone to this device. Now I have engine sounds from my desktop, and ATC through the headphone (which is a regular Hifi headphone with adjustable volume). This works very very well without the need for installing a second soundcard. Well worth the try if you have a soundcard.

About all the programs: the next release of Squawkbox will have FSRelay, FShost and AVC integrated I believe. That will be a major improvement. All the current programs were developed for FS2000/2002 so yes....lot of work just to get it running.

You should really try ServInfo because you'll be able to see in a minute where ATC and traffic can be found.

About the Neptune: I used to be in the Royal Dutch Navy...but I'm a psychiatric nurse now. The love for grey aeroplanes & ships never died though Grin

Kevin, enjoy Vatsim and e-mail or PM me if you want to ask or share something!!

Cheers
AJ
 
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Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2004 at 8:40am

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One suggestion is to have a look at a VACC. They have several ready documents describing all the staff about connecting and flying online. I would suggest one from UK or USA or of your country (if other) because some documents are written in native language of each VACC.

 
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2004 at 9:01pm

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HI im trying to get logged on to vatsim  network and i need the AVC tuner thats not the pilot software page right?  I have squawk box and sbrelay.

Well is their a differant place i can download avc tuner cause that link wont work for me i think.... 

No wait... the AVC link worked but went to a differant site and i dont know where to find in on that site.

The Squawk box link didnt work so i did a search on google for it and got version 2.1 of squawk box, will this work

and any other pointers cause i really dont know what the heck im doing  Grin

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Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2004 at 9:13pm

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sorry im Just blind about the AVC got that now,  but will the squawk box i have work

Version 2.1

 
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Reply #15 - Mar 17th, 2004 at 4:48am

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Well, you can download AVC and its documentation from here http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~serio/vc/.

Now, in order to get connected to vatsim you need SBRelay only if you are using FS2004. It is not needed for FS2002. As a briefing you need to do the following:

1. Subscribe to VATSIM and get userid and password.

2. Download and install needed software:
    - SBRelay (FS2004 only)
    - Squawkbox
    - Roger Wilco or AVC
    - FSUIPC.dll (see comments below)
    - Servinfo (not necessary but very useful)

3. Update Squawkbox server ip addresses. It is possible that the servers' list available for connecting S/B (Squawkbox) to VATSIM are obsolete. To solve this you either check the current IPs from VATSIM or extract them from Servinfo. To do this start Servinfo (you must be connected to the internet) and press the button labeled VATSIM (somewhere at the upper left corner) and wait until data are retrieved. Once data are downloaded from VATSIM locate the button labeled IP (it is either up or below the VATSIM button, I do not have Servinfo handy right now) and prss it. This will extract the new IP addresses to a "ipaddress.txt" file and the program will ask you where to save it. Choose to save it to the defaut S/B directory. Answer "Yes" when you are asked whether to replace the old file.

4. Start your FS and create a multiplayer session

5. Run a program called "FSchat14.exe" (or something like that) and it is in the S/B directory. Minimize the DOS window which will open.

6. Start the SBHost

7. Start the SB Main program. Choose for the SB to search for multiplayer sessions and when asked to provide an IP give 127.0.0.1 (your computer). Choose the multiplayer you have created before (SB will locate it)

8. From the SB right click on the dark area to open the menu and choose connect. In the meny opened choose a server to connect (field upper left in the connection window with pop up menu). If you are using Roger Wilco you can also provide a R/W server at the bottom left field in the same window (I have not used AVC).

If I have not missed anything you will be connected.

Now, there is a comment about FSUIPC. If you have a version prior v3.0 everything is ok as it is freeware (but in FS2004) you may have a few problems). Later versions (I think the latest one is v3.1.1) are shareware meaning they are operational but applications like S/B will not cooperate with them unless they are (the applications like S/B) registered to FSUIPC. There are ways to bypass the need to buy FSUIPC but as you understand they are illegal and I cannot tell anything more about. In any case buying FSUIPC implies a very low cost, you will are totally legal and you have all needed codes.

All the needed programs to get connected to VATSIM (including AVC and Servinfo)  can be found in several internet places but you can find all together at the Hellenic VACC http://avsim.com/greece/hvacc/
Just select the english language area (there is also Greek but it may not be of much use for you) and then go to links-->downloads.

I hope the above helps. Ask back if you have more questions.
 
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Reply #16 - Mar 17th, 2004 at 1:05pm

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where do i find Sbhost and FSchat14.exe.

I am running fs2004.    I have squawk box, avc,sbrelay, roger wilco, and a unregistered verison of FSUIPC.dll

and i think thats all.
 
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Reply #17 - Mar 17th, 2004 at 1:08pm

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and i cant download servinfo  I keep getting "page cannot be displayed" when i click on the link to download.
 
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Reply #18 - Mar 18th, 2004 at 4:33am

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SB Host is installed once you install SB (go to start-->programs-->squawkbox and you will fine both SB host and SB).
FSchat14 is a program which can be found in the SB directory once SB is installed.

As it cincerns Servinfo, the page you went through is linked to avsim and as far as I know they are doing an update to their system these days and so it unavailable. It will be up and running again in a few days so you can retry.

In the meanwhile you can proceed manually. Just open your ipaddr.txt in your SB directory, and copy-paste the following IPs (as it is)replacing the old ones. You can keep a backup of the old ipaddr.txt if you want.

****** Copy after this line******
152.104.96.225 ASIA-S
200.223.140.250 BRAZIL-C
137.56.42.18 EUROPE-C
212.47.22.26 EUROPE-CE
195.205.20.162 EUROPE-E1
195.78.48.15 EUROPE-E2
212.205.81.22 EUROPE-SE
195.23.79.203 EUROPE-W
210.15.254.125 OCEANIA
80.249.98.88 UK-1
66.98.168.65 USA-S1
66.221.192.84 USA-S3
208.224.174.24 USA-SE
216.93.170.44 USA-W
 
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Reply #19 - Mar 18th, 2004 at 6:22pm

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Im confused   ???   I have everything.   AVC,Squawk box, RW, Servinfo,  Sbrelay, and vatsim ID.   with Sevinfo i see the differant ATC  servers,  but how do I connect to them.

  When when i trying to connect squawk box to my created game in fs2004 it dosent find the game untill i open sbrelay then my game pops up in sqwuak box I try to connect to it them sbrelay says something about Host rejected your connectons...

Is my nonregestered verison of FSUIPC causeing this.

OR am I doing something wrong yet


and one more question when this thing works are you acutally flying with servral other people or are you by urself but the atc can see all of you and tells u were to go?
 
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Reply #20 - Mar 19th, 2004 at 5:37am

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Well,

Avsim upgrade is still ongoing. However today they are partially accesible and I downloaded a few files. You can try again with Servinfo. If you still fail and you cannot wait for their site to be fully operational again, you can  update the IPs manually (without Servinfo). The first thing to do is to locate the ipaddr.txt file in your squawkbox directory. If it is there open it using notepad and replace all its contents by pasting the IP addresses part at the end of my previous message. Note you must copy-paste it as it is (IP addresses and the server names next to them).
If you cannot find the ipaddr.txt file in your squawkbox directory then start notepad in a new and blank file, copy paste the above mentioned information (IP addresses) to that blank file and save it as ipaddr.txt in the squawkbox directory. Then, when you start squawkbox select a server to connect to from the upper left field (it has a combo box which you can press to see the available servers, actually those you have put into the ipaddr.txt file). Just left click on one of them. If someone is not working try another. I usually choose European because I live in Europe and the distance is smaller. Pick one at USA if you live in USA etc.

You are right about SBRelay. It is mandatory to use it if you have FS2004. Normally you should do thing in the following sequence.
- Start FS
- Create a multiplayer session
- Start SBRelay
- Start Squawkbox and have it search for the multiplayer session

An unregistered version of FSUIPC will not prevent you from connecting (at least not from receiving the connection succesful connection messages). However I don't know if you will be able to fly since you will never appear at the airport you are somewhere else by default and of course you will not be able to download weather. In addition air traffic controllers will not be able to see you in their radars. So, you must do something with that.

Finally, as it concerns your last question the answer is that you have atc only when a controller is available at your area and you see other airplanes only when other pilots fly in your area. You see, we are talking about real people here who may be present and may be not.
Big airports usually have atc. The traffic is also dependend on the area and the local time of that area because people prefer to fly short and mid range flights and also close to the place they live. In any case it is a complete different thing than the default FS atc. At least it worths a try.

 
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