You have to keep in mind that Kiss was a pretty shocking act back in the day, I can somewhat share the opinion that their gimmicks are pretty crusty after 30 years of the same ol' sh*t, they still have almost exactly the same stage show they have always had throughout their career, and 3-4 years ago they did the "Farewell" tour claiming that Kiss was done, but they are still around, what's up with that?

  You have to at least give them credit for paving the way for current bands like Slipknot and Mudvayne, although the music these bands make cannot be compared to Kiss who consistantly produced hits over the years, Kiss really was one of the first bands to push the limits and venture into shocking stage presence and outrageous antics to attract attention, Alice Cooper can also be placed into this category.

  I was a huge Kiss fan growing up in the 70's, they really let me down when they tried to go disco, then they got pretty good again in the 80's when they did "Animalize", I can't think of much they have done in the past 10 years that has impressed me, but I did go to see them in Phoenix on the first date of the "Farewell" tour back in 2000, thinking it would be the last chance to ever see them, and here they just played Detroit a couple of weeks ago, I don't think they will ever go away until Gene or Paul dies.

  I saw Slipknot a couple of years ago and was not disappointed, however Mudvayne did not show up for the gig like they were supposed to, claiming they were exhausted from touring, they need to get off the drugs and do their jobs, if they can't handle touring and life on the road they should find another line of work, I was very disappointed that Mudvayne dropped off the tour, I really wanted to see them with Slipknot.

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ur sure lucky space ace aint seen this thread yet!

I think KISS is great.  I really don't like any of the bands you mentioned  but Metallica.  Metallica used to rules.

I love their stage act.  Loud music, big explotions, fireworks, and Gene's tounge is quite a piece...

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What? Mudvayne didn't do a gig because they were tired. At one stage AC/DC were doing a concert a day and if you have seen them live they sure do alot more that mudvayne on stage.

KISS, AC/DC, Metallica (old heavy metal stuff not this thrash metal  ), Iron Maiden and Alice Cooper all have very good song writing skills and their music is very good. I listen to Mudvayne and I just can't hear a tune or melody and the singing is just so depressing.

You are free to like em but I don't

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well i dont come here very often but now that i see this outrageous subject i have to say a few things......

I am with Paz, KISS paved the road (along with Alice) for bands like MudV and Slipknot.....also, they atrted the whole thing of pyrotecnics and kick arse stage shows, from a few flame throwers to have the members levitate over the crowd inthe middle of the concert. they pretty much along with alice came up with the blood-on-stage thing (gene's show before playing god of thunder, right during the intro) or Alice's guillotine act.... Ace's smoking Les Paul... Pete's pyro's and levitation of the drumkit... i mean i can go on for ever...

i thik that Mudvane and Slipknot have deep roots on KISS, Alice Cooper, and of course, Black Sabbath. there is no point on denying it but Sabbath came up with the easy-to-follow, repetitive heavy metal riffs, songs like Iron Man, with the retarded, yet empowering guitar riff, which has been covered by bands from NOFX to Pantera, and SOngs like Black Sabbath, NIB and Paranoid, also covered by many bands. they are concidered the Godfathers of modern metal.

Alic and KISS contributed to Slipknot's and MudV's success by addin the costumes and stage show...back in the day you wont see another band on 7-inch leather heels breathing fire, smashing guitars and electrocuting guitarrists live onstage (Lakeland Fla, 1977, LoveGun Tour... Ace steped on a striped cale and got blown away.... origins of the song Shock Me) also the bloddy stage presented by Gene and Alie clearly shows in today's metal stages.

we cannot diss our past and recognize our present becaue the past lives on in the pressent, and without bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, KISS and Alicce Cooper, there would've been no Mudvane, Korn, Slipknot or any other Metal greatnes of today's music.

I saw Kiss back in the old days with the orginal lineup was still together the first time.  All I can say is, while the music hasn't held up for me, the stage show still lives on as one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. 

It's true, that if it weren't for Kiss, then guys like Marilyn Manson wouldn't be around either. I don't think that Kiss can take credit for Alice Cooper though.  They both came up at about the same time.  I think Kiss started in 69, and Alice was near that same time.  By the same token though, if it weren't for Lou Reed, there would be no Kiss.  If it weren't for The Velvet Underground, then I don't think Kiss would have found much appeal.

??? John Cale?  Lou Reed?  ???

It's not the same Velvet Underground though.  It's a different band with the same name...

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Looks like you woke a lot of guys up, while exercising your first amendment rights. 

That's cool if you don't like a certain band, but to say they suck, and then listen to these bands that sing about how terrible life is, is a bit hippocritical. 

All the bands you see live, that is, when they decide to show up for a gig, have taken the theatrics that KISS made cool, and they use them, but then criticize KISS. 

I've been on every KISS tour since 1978.  It was, and still is, the greatest rock n roll show on earth.  And while a lot of people dis them, it seems at every concert there are 20,000 people who feel otherwise.  I've never run into anyone at a KISS concert who said they were forced to go. 

Is very simple.  If you don't like the band, and their music, then turn it off, and listen to all the mediocrity that's out there now.  You don't have to attend KISS concerts if you don't want to.  If you hear the music, it's by choice, nobody is forcing you. 

Funny thing, while it was cool seeing Aerosmith with KISS, everybody automatically gives Aerosmith critical acclaim, because they're Aerosmith.  KISS doesn't need teleprompters to read their own lyrics during a show ( Tyler still gets 'em wrong).  They don't have a guy helping with the lead vocals.  And KISS can still go for two plus hours.  I doubt if Aerosmith can.  They were still excellent, but everyone overlooks the shortcomings, and criticizes KISS. 

If you play in a band, take a lesson from the band that knows how to give people their money's worth, every night!  Just my opinion.   

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KISS started in '73, alice a wee before, but u r right, and KISS emulated Alice's ways with the makeup and high heels..

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well yeah u r right, but take into account that lester was not KISS at all, sonce they played diferent stuff, and pete&ace were not in the lineup either...

well u r right, it all deends from where u looks at it. lester wa not a band but an orchestra, from my limited knowledge of lester, they had like 7 ppl in the band didnt they? i've seen pix of a guy with a flute and stuff lol, if u've read KISS and Make up (Gene's auto bio) there is this part where he talks about reforming lester, and he says something like "paul and i wanted to reform the band so we called a reunion and started to fire ppl, we fired half the band but then they got pissed and we ended up fired, not them." so it was from there that KISS started. i really recomend that book, is rather funny, and interesting