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Dec 2nd, 2003 at 1:45am

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In FS9, I like to start trips from Schiphol airport(eham), Amsterdam, since I live in Amsterdam. I land there too, and all that in GA aircraft like the Baron, Lancair Legacy. Schiphol is a large international airport, so I was wondering is this is realistic. Would they, under normal circumstances, let me mix in with the big guys with my slow and small private aircraft Grin, or would the say "sorry, too busy, go to a local airport Undecided"? Does a real pilot have the answer to this?

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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 5:05am

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Hi Gerwin
              I can only speek of my local airport Leeds/Bradford International, this has two flying schools operating from it as well as a lo-cost airline, plus all the other traffic. Hope this helps Chris
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 7:23am

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Hi Gerwin,

     Where did you get a Lancair Legacy?
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 7:30am

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    Where did you get a Lancair Legacy?

Do a search for lancair or legacy in the file library of this site:
http://www.avsim.com/
There's an update for it too on the same site, get that!
The legacy is abolutely great btw, flies great, looks fantastic, virtual cockpit, great detail. The sound aliases to the cessna 180, and I changed that to the Bravo, and the airspeed on the panel is a custom gauge, which made it crash on my pc, so I changed that to one from the kingair. Recommended! Grin
 
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 7:39am

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              I can only speek of my local airport Leeds/Bradford International, this has two flying schools operating from it as well as a lo-cost airline, plus all the other traffic. Hope this helps Chris

Yes, that certainly helps, thanks. I would just like to know from someone who knows about really big airports like O'Hare or Heathrow if it's allowed to land your toyplane there, or if they consider it to dangerous to join the traffic with a plane that has a topspeed as low as the stall speed of a 747. I guess it will cost you a fortune anyway, and nobody will do that, so it's useless to go planespotting at the runways of EHAM. So any input is welcome. Thanks!
 
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 8:55am

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memphis international has a flight school thats pretty busy. i believe Logan also has one. so i would imagine others do to
 
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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 9:31am

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Most airports in the US allow ALL aircraft to land. Newark and Washington National are two exceptions that come to mind. These airports do not allow FAR pt 91&135 (general aviation/private charter)operations. BUT this rule means no jets, such as a Lear or Gulfstream, as well as no Cessnas.

A good indicator as to whether an airport is G/A friendly, is to look at the runways that it offers. Boston Logan is probably the busiest airport I have ever seen, with the exception of possibly Heathrow. If you look at an airport diagram for Boston, they offer runway 33R/15L for use. It is a 2,500 foot runway. There's only a certain type of airplane that will use a runway THAT short. And if you go to Signature Boston(private aircraft parking), you will see many single engine, piston powered aircraft.
Exceptance of "the little guys" in the US is dependant more on local government, and the existance of "satellite" airports, than any hard rules. If there is not another option(re:smaller airports), a large airport may have no choice.
 
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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 1:53pm

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when you want to land your small prop at Schiphol, they probably let you take the short runway at Schiphol Oost. i'm not sure if you are allowed to land the bigger runways (like the Kaagbaan)...perhaps when you are running out of fuel...maybe but i'm not sure.

a few weeks back a Cessna 172 was crossing the final of a runway at EBBR...he was in the CTR of Brussels Intl but without having contact. now that's not allowed!  Wink
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 10:15pm

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I think OTTOL summed it up pretty well, Im sure if the ATC really didnt want you to land, they would just put you out in the holding pattern until you decide to go to another local airport Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2003 at 7:32pm

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In the US you can take your little plane to any airport if you can stand the lanfding fee.  There is no prohibition at any of the airports mentioned before unless they are since 9/11.  There is also NO flight school at logan Intl in BOS, I doubt here is one at BNA either. 

I have flown singles into the 3 big NY  airports JFK, LGA, EWR the controllers have a plan for such a/c and as long as there isn't a gaggle of them there is not usually a problem.  They normally won't land you on the "active" runway because of the speed difference but they will find a way to work you in.
I'm not sure how they handle GA in Europe.
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Reply #10 - Dec 4th, 2003 at 1:30am

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36/18 at O'hare is 5000 feet.  I believe that one is reserved for small aviation while the big guns get 32/14 L&R which are about 13000 ft.  I can't see O'hare, which I believe is the third busiest airport in the world, letting a small Cessna or something disrupt what must be an extremely complicated ballet of movement.  So they have one runway that is no where near the routes of the big planes just for the little guys...

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Reply #11 - Dec 4th, 2003 at 3:58am

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[quote author=Pippin  link=1070329556/0#10 date=1070519454].  I can't see O'hare, which I believe is the third busiest airport in the world, letting a small Cessna or something disrupt what must be an extremely complicated ballet of movement.  So they have one runway that is no where near the routes of the big planes just for the little guys...

[/quote]I think we're playing Tennis with TWO questions now.
-Yes you can Legally land a small, low cruise speed, single engine aircraft at ANY civil airport in the U.S.(with the exception of two previously mentioned).
-Will ATC allow you to do so? Workload permitting, and the prevailing attitude at the controlling authority involved are the only two factors that may dictate otherwise. Remember, in a Class B, authorization must first be given to enter the airspace, and in Class C radio communication must be established, BUT it's not uncommon to hear " REMAIN CLEAR OF THE CLASS CHARLIE AIRSPACE".
 
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Reply #12 - Dec 4th, 2003 at 2:10pm

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Also, don't be misled just because an airport has the "International" designation....not all of them are exactly major traffic hubs. I've operated in and out of several "International" airports (and in Cessna 152's actually) that didn't even have a control tower! Smiley
 
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Reply #13 - Dec 4th, 2003 at 2:26pm

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EHAM has the small stuff landing on RW22-RW4, the old main runway of schiphol.
Touchdown is somewhere in the middle, as you aren't allowed to fly through the ILS corridor of one of the east-west runways which crosses the flightpath
 
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Reply #14 - Apr 13th, 2004 at 8:20pm

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I heard from one of my flight instructors that if you go on approach at Brisbane Intl you will get cahrged even if you declare a missed approach.
 
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