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Nov 4th, 2003 at 3:57pm

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Please remember that this Sunday is Rememberance Sunday (if I remember correctly the Americans call it Veterans Day).
So buy your Poppy and wear it with pride, someone didn't Sad

An elderly man selling Remembrance Day poppies in a busy supermarket was attacked with a claw hammer.
The 79-year-old was taken to hospital after being struck with the weapon as he sold the poppies for the Royal British Legion in a Safeway store in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.
A Thames Valley Police spokeswoman said: "The man was attacked three times with a claw hammer and was taken to Stoke Mandeville Hospital with head injuries."
He was released later.
A 29-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm and released on police bail pending further inquiries.
Both the Royal British Legion and Safeway said they could not comment on the incident.

As a veteran myself this makes me sick to my heart. Please think of veterans all over the world irrespective of who's side they were on. They deserve our respect.

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Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 4:16pm

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Why does this not shock me? It's just another a sign of the times I'm afraid.  Cry

Did you hear they're not supplying pins with Poppies any more? This is in case someone pricks themselves causing terrible injuries & sues the British Legion for damages. The world has gone mad. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 4:24pm

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That makes me sick Angry

He should be locked away forever.

I've got more relatives that I can think of who have served in the military, and I even want to go into the USAF.

btw, What's a poppy?

 
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Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 4:28pm

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Its a type of flower found in Flanders (and elsewhere, including a special type in Afghanistan for making opium from).
The Brits wear a paper one for Rememberance Sunday (I've been getting odd looks around town wearing mine, and only one colleague of mine even knew why I was wearing it!!!!!!!)
 

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Reply #4 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 4:34pm

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Is there a picture on the internet somewhere?
 
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Reply #5 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 4:37pm

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btw, What's a poppy?

Read this Andrew. http://www.poppy.org.uk/
 

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Reply #6 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 4:38pm

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A writer first made the connection between the poppy and battlefield deaths during the Napoleonic wars of the early 19th century, remarking that fields that were barren before battle exploded with the blood-red flowers after the fighting ended.

During the tremendous bombardments of the First World War the chalk soils became rich in lime from rubble, allowing 'popaver rhoeas' to thrive. When the war ended the lime was quickly absorbed, and the poppy began to disappear again.


They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

 

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Reply #7 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 4:39pm

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Check this link Andrew.
http://www.poppy.org.uk/

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Did you hear they're not supplying pins with Poppies any more? This is in case someone pricks themselves causing terrible injuries & sues the British Legion for damages. The world has gone mad. 


I had heared about this, but I got a pin with my poppy this year. I can well believe this is true however.
 

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Reply #8 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 5:06pm

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The etiquette that I was brought up with is that the poppy is worn for a few days beforehand and removed on the 11/11 (or the 11/11 in US notation) after the service.

Others may have a differant opinion though.

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Reply #9 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 5:08pm

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THanks for the link

A question though, Do people wear them here in America? I can't say I remember seeing them before
 
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Reply #10 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 5:11pm

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I doubt it Andrew, unless they're Brits of course. Not forgetting our Commonwealth friends.
 

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Reply #11 - Nov 4th, 2003 at 5:28pm

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ok, I would probably look funny if I wore one.

Is it Memorial day where people wear little flags here?
 
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Reply #12 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 2:48am

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When I was a kid in California (many many years ago) I seem to recall on the 11th that you all had your flags at half-mast as a mark of respect.

Mark (stretching his braincells back over a 22 years there!)
 

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Reply #13 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 5:02am

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verterans day Andrew:)
as for the poppy pins they actually had this on the news here, the keynsham and saltford branch got so many complaints about people being hurt by the pins they took it to the news and it went local then national:Smiley common sense, what ever happend to it?
hell i never had a problem when i was 6 or 7 whats happend to older people now?
 
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Reply #14 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 6:31am

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Its sad to see so few people wearing Poppies this year, but as has been said, it just reflects the society we're in today (than again it'll probably be un-PC one day, just incase we offend anyone)

Last night's TV summed it up. BBC2 at 2100 had Jeremy Clarkson profiling the Victoria Cross, concentrating mainly on the story of Major Robert Cain (who, it turns out, was his father-in-law). He also mentioned Flt Lt John Cruickshank, whose citation approval mentioned a sense of "self preservation", in saving himself as well as his crew (how he was to do otherwise as the pilot of the Catalina I don't know). And he had 72 wounds of various descriptions to boot, and the mission (if my memory serves me well) was only a quick one at 20-something hours... All in a days work, eh?

On the other hand, on good old ITV1, we had (yet another) programme about "Sir(? - by the time he's thirty)" David Beckham MVicB RMd MANU (Rtd), that well known national hero, who regularly risks life and limb to save our country from the infinate darkness. Can you see my tongue in my cheek yet...

It disgusts me  Angry

Anyway, I'm wearing my Poppy with pride.

(and I did get a pin with it)

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Reply #15 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 3:12pm

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Please remember that this Sunday is Rememberance Sunday (if I remember correctly the Americans call it Veterans Day).
So buy your Poppy and wear it with pride, someone didn't Sad

An elderly man selling Remembrance Day poppies in a busy supermarket was attacked with a claw hammer.
The 79-year-old was taken to hospital after being struck with the weapon as he sold the poppies for the Royal British Legion in a Safeway store in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.
A Thames Valley Police spokeswoman said: "The man was attacked three times with a claw hammer and was taken to Stoke Mandeville Hospital with head injuries."
He was released later.
A 29-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm and released on police bail pending further inquiries.
Both the Royal British Legion and Safeway said they could not comment on the incident.

As a veteran myself this makes me sick to my heart. Please think of veterans all over the world irrespective of who's side they were on. They deserve our respect.

Mark


A nursing home attendant here was fired after striking a 80 year old resident who was a survivor of Auschwitz.  Apparently she didn't want to take a shower and he was trying to force her into the shower.  I am telling this story for three reasons.  One, people can be assholes and this guy should be arrested just on principle.  Two, if that lady didn't want to take a shower, I would say that out of anyone in that home, she had a good reason.  It may be a bit naive, but I would like to think the guy didn't make the connection between his shower and the shower she was almost certainly remembering.  People are forgetting what it was that was so important then.  With so much going on in the world today, and with WWII being so far in the past, people just don't feel an appopriate sense of urgency about those issues.  Very sad...  Undecided
 

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Reply #16 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 3:53pm

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I was talking to a lady I work with lastnight and I learned that her uncle was a pilot during WW2. On one of the missions he was shot down, captured by the germans and spend over a year and a half in a POW camp. Years later he and his family were watching a special on tv and he happened to see a clip of his aircraft being shot down. He had nightmares for weeks.
 
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Reply #17 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 4:19pm

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I think you have to appreciate that although it's held on the anniversary of the 1918 Armistice (11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month) Remembrance Day is not only about WWI or even WWII. The money collected from selling Poppies goes to help surviving veterans of all wars, including the current business in Iraq.

Things are no longer as clear-cut as they used to be. With the multi-cultural society we now live in it's quite possible this man had some ulterior motive for attacking the Poppy seller. To some people his uniform & medals represent the possibly hated British military. The media have been very careful not to reveal his attacker's ethnic origins. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #18 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 5:30pm

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Unfortunately Ozzy, this happens all too often. There were a number of Poppy Box thefts here last year. I was in a Tim Hortons the other day and noticed they now have metal boxes with a lock on them that are chained to the counter.   Undecided

If you have a chance to handel some Canadian money, check out or 10 dollar bill. It has been dedicated to our military history and the poem In Flander's Fields is printed on the back.
 

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It is a shame that people are so F***'n idiotic! Who would do such a thing! That angers me so!
 

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Reply #20 - Nov 7th, 2003 at 1:25am

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We've been selling poppies at school and they have been selling really really fast.  We sold almost 200 in one day at at 20 Australian Cents that is quite an achievement.
 
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We've been selling poppies at school and they have been selling really really fast.  We sold almost 200 in one day at at 20 Australian Cents that is quite an achievement.


Here you can donate what ever you have. I bought 2 poppies for $4. Technically they're free but I think $4 is very generous.
 

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Reply #22 - Nov 7th, 2003 at 2:20pm

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Havn't seen any being sold yet here Undecided
 
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Reply #23 - Nov 7th, 2003 at 3:03pm

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Incidents like this make me very emotional, when I first read what Ozzy had written I sat and cried, cruelty of any kind sickens me and I wish that the world was a more loving place.

As for what Pippin wrote later regarding the nursing home attendant I am affraid I have seen this kind of behaviour all too often, I have spent many years as a nusing auxillary in various homes, this type of behaviour is not uncommon with the care staff, until very recently the only qualifications needed was the fact that you had an interest in the vacancy needing filling, you could say you have the care experience because you are a Mum, as we all know not all Mums are good Mums, it is just taken for granted that because of this "I am a Mum" statement that you are supposed to know how to look after others, at the end of the day it is all about control for these carers and a wage at the end of the week.  The caring for the patient does not even come into the mind of these heartless people.
There are ways to deal with difficult and frightened patients, but due to bad training and frankly the homes not monitoring the staff properly these incidents will continue to occur.

Enough of my rantings.

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Reply #24 - Nov 7th, 2003 at 3:17pm

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Havn't seen any being sold yet here Undecided

I wouldn't expect it in the US Andrew. I'm sure you have your own Remembrance Day or equivalent.

As for Sarah's comments, I feel strongly about this too. Things like that make me terrified of getting old or becoming ill & depending on others. This business with the Poppy seller is quite different although just as serious. It was obviously premeditated as nobody except a workman would carry a claw-hammer in a supermarket or in the street for that matter.

Until the case is heard I don't know if this attack was simply a robbery gone wrong  or if there was some other more sinister motive behind it. As I've said before, this sort of thing is all too common nowadays & just another example of the violent times we live in. Cry
 

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Reply #25 - Nov 7th, 2003 at 3:18pm

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Part of the problem is that if you pay peanuts you attract monkeys.  There are many dedicated carers out there who work hard for little recognition.  But there many many more that enjoy their position of power and abuse those under their control.

The whole care industry needs tighter control, comprehensive background checking and some form of basic registration fo Nursing auxillaries and health care assistants.

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