Search the archive:
Simviation Main Site
|
Site Search
|
Upload Images
Simviation Forum
›
General
›
General Discussion
› Concorde Petition
(Moderators: Mitch., Fly2e, ozzy72, beaky, Clipper, JBaymore, Bob70, BigTruck)
‹
Previous Topic
|
Next Topic
›
Pages:
1
Concorde Petition (Read 840 times)
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 1:50pm
aeronut
Ex Member
I have been advised by ukga.com that they are currently inviting signatures for the save the Concorde Petition-all are welcome
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #1 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 2:40pm
loomex
Offline
Colonel
My 1969 Ludwig "pre-Bohnam"
with extra stuff
FAA Ident KITH
Gender:
Posts: 1853
Save the Concorde? I know that I am going to get a lot of crap over what I am going to say, But lets face it, The plane is done, it over, no longer flying. What the hell is there to save? Most of them ARE being saved in museums, so that most of us "poor" people can get up and maybe inside one. The plane sucks WAY too much fuel, it is noisey, and is too expensive for up keep. Add to that the rather "poor" up keep it had, according to the Discovery Wings show "Concorde: The anatomy of a disaster".
Dont get me wrong, It is a great looking plane and I missed sleep just to see it land in Reno, NV a few years ago. Do I think that other planes should meet the same fate and the speedbird...Yes. The Boeing 727 is very loud even with the hush packs.
WAIT!! One of you is going to say something about military aircraft. These planes serve a diiffernt purpose. The engines on some of these planes need to be more powerful than the commercial planes to meet mission needs.
Ok, off the soap box, and waiting for the hits...oh and BTW, this needs to be moved to General discussion I think
Chris
Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) ,2.70 gigahertz AMD Phenom II X6 1045T(6-core), two HD (1TB and 500GB), 8gb RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5570,
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #2 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 4:54pm
aeronut
Ex Member
OK-no problem-opinions do vary-it was just the way B.A. and Aerobus Industrie colluded to keep it away from Branson(Their arch enemy) that annoyed a lot of people-anyway, nice to get a reaction-Thanks for your input
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #3 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 5:01pm
Agamer
Offline
Colonel
I love fs9
Posts: 246
I love the concorde but I know for a fact a that these sigs won't help. The plane was taken down over tv there not putting it up again!!
FS9 rules
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #4 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 5:47pm
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
thank you loomex finally someone else who truely agrees with me:) she has had a pefect retirement and now its time for her to rest, after many years of fine service.
please please please stop with the Branson deal, he
could NOT
keep concorde in the air, this isnt BA just being against him.
and first of all it wasnt BA who pulled concorde from service it was airfrance and then Airbus, it has always been known that it needed airfrance and BA to run, without AF Airbus pulled out, without Airbus there are no Parts, and it wouldnt have matter if Branson would have bought them, he would have had no parts, no mechanics, and because of that no insurance. so no concorde.
blame Air France, and Airbus. but not BA they had no choice.
and who should put them in museums? BA the company who ended up paying billions running them or Virgin who offered £1 for each plane?
hmmm i know BA colors look so much better on it:)
Not a direct shot at anyone so please dont take offense
I just want the poor plane to retire quietly as Loomex said so us poor people get a chance to see what she is made of both inside or out, and havign seen her a few times, taking off and landing, i have only ever seen the inside of the test concorde at filton.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #5 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 6:17pm
Crumbso
Offline
Colonel
The Sea Vixen - You aint'
never seen such a fox!!!
West Sussex, England
Gender:
Posts: 1794
oh while we are in the mood of taking a lovely pesimist attitude lets take the Vulcan out of a restoration program, yes far too costly and too noisy. Oh yeah corr warbirds god whats the point the running costs far out weigh their functionality.
WHAT?
Don't you want to even keep it available for appearances at airshows? at the 100th anniversary of flight and we want to take a step backwards?
Richard Branson is getting somewhere in negotiations now, he is offering to keep them in BA colours and for it to appear at airshows not to carry passengers as it would be very costly.
The noise is part of its charm I love all these old smokey, noisy and dirty airliners.
I simply can't just abandon hope on such an air travel legend.
phew I'm cream crackered after that speech,
PeteTLUK
P.S Please don't take offense at this up front answer but I just feel passionately about this.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #6 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 6:25pm
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
hi pete.
Of coarse i want it to stay flying. as strange as it may seem with my posts, but i am putting down everything i have read and know to be true and as accurate as possible.
Concorde and the Vulcan project are two completely differant things, parts would be readly avaliable for this vulcan as it has been built with newer parts that have been modified with the aircraft, plus look how long it has taken to even get close.
As for Branson if you believe what he says then hey good for you:)LOL
why would BA sell him the plane?? just for him to keep it in airshows? BA could do that themselves, and they still might, remember its not just costs, its parts and mechanics, Branson has no mechanics, and BA sure wont give them up, most dont want to go either, and there is no way Concorde will be given permission to fly unless the mechanics are those who have worked on it with BA.
i really would love to see it fly, but lets also face it, does an airliner like that which is designed for nothing but supersonic cruise, deserve to be put on one or two slow flybys moved to another location at subsonic speeds and then do the same thing.
well as i said somewhere else, this week we will find out.
Maybe they will maybe they wont, either way i am happy. as i will never be able to afford to fly on it and as long as branson is kept away i dont mind
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #7 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 6:44pm
Crumbso
Offline
Colonel
The Sea Vixen - You aint'
never seen such a fox!!!
West Sussex, England
Gender:
Posts: 1794
BA afford to keep it flying? I doubt it they are in pretty big trouble at the moment.
Bransons a pretty decent chap, I don't know what you have against him but I don't care who trys to keep it flying theres always that chance and I don't think we should give up on it.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #8 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 6:50pm
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
Branson as a person i have no problem with, Branson, as an airline owner again no problem, however, all he wants concorde for is to rub it into the face of BA that he could get hold of it, he would drape it in Virgin colors which would be horrible, and it would be nothing more than a spoilt kid getting his way. then when it does retire it would have to be put into museums in virgin colors, not the company who kept it running for so many years sucessfully, people in the future would forget about who truely made the plane, and who truely made the plane what it is today, because Branson wouldnt be happy until that happened.
As for BA i am not worried about them, like most airlines they are suffering but are still in a safe enough position. admitidly i cant agree to some of there owners and managers business practises.
Side note please dont take offense to these posts Pete:) like you i am very passionate on this subject, but with a couple of differant views on how to get the best. We both want it to stay flying though just differant ways
Cheers Mate:)
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #9 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 7:27pm
Hagar
Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica
Posts: 33159
BA are not as innocent as you seem to think Craig. this might not apply to the present management but some of their business practices in the past have been dubious to say the least. I'm sure everyone knows that they never wanted Concorde in the first place. To save the government embarrassment they reluctantly agreed to accept them for a token price of £1 each. Their huge losses were written off in return. Say what you like about Branson & other entrepreneurs like him, I prefer them any time over a corrupt organisation like BA.
Sorry but I don't think we will see Concorde or the Vulcan in the air again. The cost of replacing the Vulcan wing spars alone would be prohibitive.
Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the
Fox Four Group
Need help? Try
Grumpy's Lair
My photo gallery
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #10 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 7:35pm
Crumbso
Offline
Colonel
The Sea Vixen - You aint'
never seen such a fox!!!
West Sussex, England
Gender:
Posts: 1794
Nah don't worry mate I may sound it but i don't take offence
Oh this post depresses me I love both the Vulcan and Concorde yet I may never see them. I remember when I was very young seeing Xh558 fly past with farewell written on the bomb doors and then a glorious climb out whilst waggling the wings
oh dear I'm gettin emotional
All I do to keep myself with a spark of hope is look at the Sea Vixen, a very expensive aircraft with a minimum of spare parts available an its still flying
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #11 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 10:21pm
loomex
Offline
Colonel
My 1969 Ludwig "pre-Bohnam"
with extra stuff
FAA Ident KITH
Gender:
Posts: 1853
I knew that this was going to be a hot topic, and once again in the famous SimV forum style it is remaining civil
I see both sides of this in one respect...flying to airshows. Yeah it would be cool to have all famous retired aircraft do flyby's at airshows, but it all comes down to the cost. Look how much it cost to go and walk through any of the Confederate Air Force's planes( for those of you that dont know, the ConAF maintains and flys a large array of WWII planes). That is to help with the upkeep just to keep the 60+ year old planes flying. In Elmira, NY there is a museum that cost $$ to get into, and on the two days the Air Show is on, They charge to get into the airfield to watch it...why? Because it cost a lot of $$$$ to restore, rebuild, maintain, and fly these planes.
So what is my point. Well, I really dont remember, but I aint going to erase this after typing it.
Oh yeah...Concorde + Airshows = too much money, or atleast I think thats what it was...Oh cool...700 post
Chris
Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) ,2.70 gigahertz AMD Phenom II X6 1045T(6-core), two HD (1TB and 500GB), 8gb RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5570,
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #12 -
Oct 26
th
, 2003 at 10:40pm
Daz
Offline
Colonel
in the morning im making
WAFFLES!
Leeds, UK
Gender:
Posts: 1171
even if it was kept in operation for now it wouldnt be up for much longer its an old machine lets face it....how many aircraft are kept for 30 years plus before being pulled out of the sky....i love the concorde but i feel as though they shouldnt be left in museums they should be kept in working order for airshows.. there will be a time when it will be missed and would attract people to airshows with it being possibly one of the greatest aircraft of all time. similar to the tu144 which i personally prefer because it was faster.. that thing has ended up as scrap in most cases i dont want to see concorde same route....there should be a petition to keep it in working order not carry passengers again.
AMD athlon XP2800+ @2.34ghz&&Epox 8RDA3G 400 fsb, 8x AGP&&1024MB DDR400 PC3200&&XFX 256MB FX5950 Ultra (oc 525/1.04)&&40 gig maxtor 7200rpm&&80 gig seagate baracuda 7200rpm&&
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #13 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 4:31am
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
howdy hagar I know BA are less than innocent when it comes to business practices, but they also put billions into the plane wthout it being covered by the Government.
and Pete, the sea vixen is my biggest fear of what will happen to concorde, it is great that it is still flying, i personally have seen it a few times in yeovil, but its covered in red bull stickers,
Hi Daz did you know the designs for the Tu144 were stolen from the british but we got wind of the plan an altered the plans before they were?. the planes biggest failing was its engines, they wouldnt have ever been able to last, and the russians kept begging france and britain for help. Its a shame really that it wasnt a success, it would have forced BA and AF to keep their prices reasonable, and also it looked cool
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #14 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 4:43am
Agamer
Offline
Colonel
I love fs9
Posts: 246
I don't know if I offended anyone as I didn'tmean to I even had a post started by me which I said I love dat plane but all I was saying is that I doubt any of us have a chance to keep through petision or not!
FS9 rules
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #15 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 4:43am
LANDMYN
Offline
Colonel
My Evo :P
Gender:
Posts: 242
I love concorde. Ill put my signature on the partician!
www.willspage.me.uk
&&
My forum :
www.willspage.me.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi
&&P4 running Windows XP PRO&&ATI Radeon 9800 XT&&Athlon XP 3.4 ghz&&2048 mb ram&&.&&.&&.&&i wish&&&&&&visit my page at &&
www.willsapge.me.uk
&&
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #16 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 5:54am
Agamer
Offline
Colonel
I love fs9
Posts: 246
I also love concore but I know a petition is not going to bring back. I think that we should let it rest I would like it to be put in a museam I would love to see inside one, even if wasn't flying
FS9 rules
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #17 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 6:29am
LANDMYN
Offline
Colonel
My Evo :P
Gender:
Posts: 242
Lets just hope tht Richard Branson buys it!
www.willspage.me.uk
&&
My forum :
www.willspage.me.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi
&&P4 running Windows XP PRO&&ATI Radeon 9800 XT&&Athlon XP 3.4 ghz&&2048 mb ram&&.&&.&&.&&i wish&&&&&&visit my page at &&
www.willsapge.me.uk
&&
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #18 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 6:32am
Agamer
Offline
Colonel
I love fs9
Posts: 246
Yeh but he'll ruin it's looks!!
FS9 rules
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #19 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 6:32am
Agamer
Offline
Colonel
I love fs9
Posts: 246
a shame for a buety plane!
FS9 rules
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #20 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 7:07am
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
branson will not get his damn hands on it
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #21 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 10:23am
Crumbso
Offline
Colonel
The Sea Vixen - You aint'
never seen such a fox!!!
West Sussex, England
Gender:
Posts: 1794
you could paint it bright pink and put cuddly toys all over the wings and I would still be happy to see it fly. Its the plane that matters to me.
I will sign theres no harm in it, whether or not it does bring it back theres always that tiny chance.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #22 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 12:03pm
Hagar
Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica
Posts: 33159
Quote:
howdy hagar I know BA are less than innocent when it comes to business practices, but they also put billions into the plane wthout it being covered by the Government.
When BA were de-nationalised the government had no responsibilty. That was part of the deal for accepting Concorde. There's no room for sentiment in business & nobody would spend all those millions without expecting a return. This is what the airline business is all about. When an aircraft becomes unprofitable it's sold or scrapped. This is the situation here. The BA management have no sentiment for Concorde or any other aircraft.
Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the
Fox Four Group
Need help? Try
Grumpy's Lair
My photo gallery
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #23 -
Oct 27
th
, 2003 at 5:33pm
Lethal.Ambition
Offline
Colonel
They call me John.
Florida
Gender:
Posts: 1563
Saw on Pop Sci that Lockheed Marting, I believe, was working a a new "concorce" Forgot what issue, this month's maybe. Or next months. Anyways, the sponsor is a millionaire who has not come forward to show himself yet. I will see which issue its on later.
Oderint Dum Metuant - Let them hate as long as they fear.&&Proud member of the
=XE= Xtreme Eagles
&&Oderint Dum Metuant&&
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #24 -
Oct 29
th
, 2003 at 9:53am
C
Offline
Colonel
Earth
Posts: 13144
Personally I like to see an aircraft fly, whatever colour it is, be it a Red Bull Sea Vixen or a pink (eugh
) Spitfire (that turned out quite nice though)... I don't think Concorde in Virgin colours would be that bad - if it had sold in the first place we would be seeing it in many more liveries anyway.
Charlie
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #25 -
Oct 29
th
, 2003 at 9:55am
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
not nessicarilly.
concorde could only be painted in certain colors, due to the heat and stress it sustains at Mach2.
the pepsi livery meant concorde had to restrict its speed to Mach 1.7.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #26 -
Oct 29
th
, 2003 at 10:12am
Hagar
Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica
Posts: 33159
Well, I don't think this will ever happen as BA would send those aircraft to the breakers yard rather than let Branson have them. The Virgin colours aren't basically any different from BA's so that's a poor excuse. They at least remained patriotic when the BA management defied public opinion by doing away with the national flag. This proved a disastrous mistake & a typical waste of hard-earned profits. The logos on the Air France & BA Concordes were only painted on the front fuselage & vertical tail surfaces anyway.
Quote:
a pink (eugh ) Spitfire (that turned out quite nice though)...
The PR pink Spitfire markings are authentic & nothing to do with any sponsor.
Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the
Fox Four Group
Need help? Try
Grumpy's Lair
My photo gallery
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #27 -
Oct 29
th
, 2003 at 11:26am
C
Offline
Colonel
Earth
Posts: 13144
Quite right Hagar, the Spit PR XI markings were (and still are) authentic, although apparently the shade of pink was a little lighter in squadron service (more of an off white - i'm sure B&Q could supply the shade...). But hey, when you own a Spitfire you can paint it whatever colour you like...
I think colour would be slightly irrelevant if (hypothetically) say one Concorde were to be kept flying as I doubt it would ever need to go near supersonic speeds IF it was to be used for airshows/promo work...
Charlie
Back to top
IP Logged
Pages:
1
‹
Previous Topic
|
Next Topic
›
« Home
‹ Board
Top of this page
Forum Jump »
Home
» 10 most recent Posts
» 10 most recent Topics
Current Flight Simulator Series
- Flight Simulator X
- FS 2004 - A Century of Flight
- Adding Aircraft Traffic (AI) & Gates
- Flight School
- Flightgear
- MS Flight
Graphic Gallery
- Simviation Screenshots Showcase
- Screenshot Contest
- Edited Screenshots
- Photos & Cameras
- Payware Screenshot Showcase
- Studio V Screenshot Workshop
- Video
- The Cage
Design Forums
- Aircraft & 3D Design
- Scenery & Panel Design
- Aircraft Repainting
- Designer Feedback
General
- General Discussion ««
- Humour
- Music, Arts & Entertainment
- Sport
Computer Hardware & Software Forum
- Hardware
- Tweaking & Overclocking
- Computer Games & Software
- HomeBuild Cockpits
Addons Most Wanted
- Aircraft Wanted
- Other Add-ons Wanted
Real World
- Real Aviation
- Specific Aircraft Types
- Autos
- History
On-line Interactive Flying
- Virtual Airlines Events & Messages
- Multiplayer
Simviation Site
- Simviation News & Info
- Suggestions for these forums
- Site Questions & Feedback
- Site Problems & Broken Links
Combat Flight Simulators
- Combat Flight Simulator 3
- Combat Flight Simulator 2
- Combat Flight Simulator
- CFS Development
- IL-2 Sturmovik
Other Websites
- Your Site
- Other Sites
Payware
- Payware
Old Flight Simulator Series
- FS 2002
- FS 2000
- Flight Simulator 98
Simviation Forum
» Powered by
YaBB 2.5 AE
!
YaBB Forum Software
© 2000-2010. All Rights Reserved.