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best joystick? (Read 1594 times)
Sep 17
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, 2003 at 6:44pm
jfg123
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Dear Sim pilots
I have been using since 1998 the sidewinder Microsoft joy stick, is this the best for FS 2004 our should I get another, like the Sidewinder Percision model?
Please don't suggest a yoke with pedals as I am handicapped and can't use my legs that good.
I have OS Xp home edition
Thanks for your helps Sim pilot JG IFR and VFR
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Sep 17
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Saitek X-45 HOTAS. Beautiful stick and throttle combo. Quite popular among the folks here at SimV.
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Sep 17
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If you're sitting on a pile of cash, then it's easy. The Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar is the best trottle/stick combo available ATM. I love it. The looks, feeling and sturdiness (it weighs over 8kgs/14 lbs) makes it a great choice. Not even death will separate me from my cougar
If you're on a budget, then go with the X-45 like Hyperion said. Can't match that performance and price. It's a great combo indeed
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Sep 17
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One is a "mere" $300, the other, in the $90 range.
Whether you're on a budget or not, which is the smarter move?
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Sep 17
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The smartest thing to do (if you're budget allows) is to buy what suits your needs, always will be.
And this baby definetely suits my needs more than a blue/orange plastic controller.
To understand why the Cougar is so good, you'd have to personal try it out, there is no other way.
The cougar is really a needle in the eye for you Hyp
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Sep 17
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Thrustmaster Xfighter/Attack Throttle/Elite Rudder Pedals. I've had them for five years now and they won't break!
Go to Ebay for all your joystick purchases before you shell out the cash else where.
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Sep 18
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It's not a needle in the eye, Nex. Not at all. There are some people who truly believe that spending more money is indicative of a better product. Then there are others of us who can spot quality before we look at the price tag.
Personally, I would NEVER spend $300 on a joystick, or anything else for a computer game. For starters, that's three hours of flight instruction, as I mentioned the last time we went on about this. lol
Second, it's still a joystick, which I'm not keen on anyway. If you're a big fighter fan, then a joystick is fine. But there's just no appeal to me to fly at mach 1and miss everything below you. I'd much rather take a 737 up, in which case, I don't need a stick anyway.
Now if I could find a decent, realistic yoke, and still not pay $900 for it, we might be talking...lol
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Sep 18
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Oh, and btw...they're not just orange buttons, they're lights. Also, the blue plastic you referred to is non-existant. It's blue metal. lol
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Sep 18
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So here's a few questions for you all on controllers..........
If I had the Saitek (or the HOTAS) with the sweet little throttle module...... and then I wanted to also install the CH products controll yoke........ could I configure it so that the yoke was active instead of the Saitek (or HOTAS) joystick BUT the Saitek (or HOTAS) throttle was still active?
I tend to fly commerical and GA aircraft. (If I wanted to jockey a fighter around... I'd be flying in a different sim
)...... so the yoke is far more realistic.
And then there is the thrid part of this setup I am thinking about.........
Can I then also connect the Saitek throttle control, the CH Products yoke.... and the CH rudder pedals all at the same time?
Thinking about upgrading the "virtual cockpit"...... which at the moment is just the chair in front of the computer
. Pretty soon...... I'll have me one of then full sized, full motion 747 flight deck mockups.
Yeah ... right. Anyone got a suggestion for a Powerball number.
best,
.................john
PS: I agree with Hyperion on the "good yoke" comments. The CH one seems to be the best there is in the lower price range right now...... but it is still pretty limited in features and realism........ and then it jumps to really BIG bucks. The whole problem is that this stuff is limited market items....... so the development costs can't get averaged out over a gazillion units.
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Sep 18
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Oh yeah...... one more question........
Does anyone know of a force feedback yoke unit?
best,
.................john
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Sep 18
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John-
I've been wondering about finding out how to use the throttle from the HOTAS with a yoke. But the obstacle I run into is finding a yoke I like.
When I first got 98, I used the CH Products yoke, which was nice, but was terrible realistically.
I'm actually contemplating learning how to build this stuff so I can start selling lower price range higher quality products. There's a HUGE hole in the market, and no one seems willing to fill it.
Sorry this doesn't answer your questions, I just wanted to let you know that if there is a way, I've yet to learn it.
There are some decent tutes out there about building your own yokes and peddals, and such. Perhaps one might lead you down the path to the exact yoke you're looking for!
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Sep 18
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Ran a quick google, and came across this site. I haven't read it yet, other than a brief scan, but it seems to have some good info on building your own stuff.
I'm gonna have to check it out! LOL
http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/primary_flight_controls_4.htm
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Sep 18
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, 2003 at 4:59pm
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Hyperion,
Thanks for that reference site..... I just spent a few minutes there and following threads..... WOW ..... quite a great set of resources there. It'll take weeks of research.
Who knows... if you develop that new yoke soon...... I might be a customer
. I expect that I will make that move in the not too distant future.
best,
................john
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Sep 19
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, 2003 at 8:05am
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Thanks Sim pilots and Sim staff for all your replies on the best Joy Stick to buy.
I hope to soon get a new Joy stick when I can afford it on my SSI payments. I have deceided to get the X-45 HOTAS Saitek, but in the meanwhile will continue to fly with the old Micorsoft Sidewider.
Thanks again for your speedy replies JG123
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Oct 1
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Glad I found this thread instead of posting a new one.
Saitek HOTAS looks like my future stick since my budget is based on what my fiance says we can sink into my new "hobby"
which I can't blame her for as she knows I would drop well over $100 for a stick or yolk without batting an eye, then wondering why I did it. Being frugal AND spontaneous doesnt mesh very well.
My life is like the movie Office Space
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Oct 1
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I have a logitec force feedback, very simple, yet, very cheap... fills my requirements... It is $79.99 canadian, so about $55 US
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Oct 1
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Had my Sidewinder since '98 as well-no problems at all with any of the Fltsims-so I'm going to 'stick' with it until they bring out this new 'Thought Transmission' model-it's based on something known as 'Figment Technology' 8)
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Oct 6
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To be honest , i laughed out loud when I read your question because I had to beg my old girlfreind to return my old micro. sidewinder 3d pro plus! I purchased the precision pro and frankley it felt sloppy and cheap. Too much play(as though they use the same internals as the force feedback). Needless to say that she now has the newer more expensive one (Itraded) and I am now happy again! Its just better .
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Oct 6
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Quote:
it's still a joystick, which I'm not keen on anyway. If you're a big fighter fan, then a joystick is fine. But there's just no appeal to me to fly at mach 1and miss everything below you.
Not always the case. The vintage light aircraft I like all have a conventional stick. Not a yoke in sight. The latest fly-by-wire airliners have a side stick which is very similar to our joysticks.
Airbus A320. Note the captain would fly with left hand.
I agree on the Saitek X-45. The older X-36 combo is the best joystick I ever had.
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Oct 7
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, 2003 at 7:29am
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I bought a x-45 Saitek controls, form Circuit City, but I am returning it today, for a Micorsoft JOY STick.
The X-45 checked out ok, but On my machine it was too sensitive, and I could't handle the planes. Their HSIs ran all over the place and when I did get a plane into the air it barreled rolled. So I put my Old Micorsoft sidewider back on FS2004 and all the planes flew more stable.
I am going to get a new Microsoft Sidewider and not mess with this trouble some problem.
JG
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Oct 7
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Whatever works for you. The Saitek sticks take a little setting up. I found that tweaking the Sensitivities from the sim settings soon fixed that problem. You can also download profiles for use with various applications.
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Nov 1
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Can anybody tell me how to assign Rotary 1 as elevator trim? Rotary 1 is the wheel nearest your thumb on the throttle stick.
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Nov 1
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I am surprised that no one has said the MICROSOFT FORCEFEEDBACK 2 joystick is the best controller! Yea you don't have twice as many button to program like the original, but hey I have had no issues with it when Flying FS2002 or Comanche 4 or Mechwarrior 4!
I say the Microsoft Forcefeed back 2 is the best!
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Nov 4
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Mav316, I totally agree with you. I only have Fs2002, and it works excellent, but I don't know what's the best one for Fs2004.
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Nov 4
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My saitek x45 does not look like the picture if the one that wa posted!
First of all the blue METAL is a lot lighter andd the metal ring is thiner areount the base of the joystick and finalyy the pinkie switch is difrent oh well I still love it!
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