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Sep 25^th, 2003 at 12:59pm

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Here's a few shots of my Demoiselle project, in the works. Any comments/suggestions welcome.

This is based on the version seen in the movie "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines", simply because I think it looked better. The main differences between the two versions is the frame is wider and the wings have a dihedral.

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Reply #1 - Sep 25^th, 2003 at 1:48pm

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Very nice looking.

For gmax "old" machines, download some of Dennis Simanaitis' crates.

Before you ask the question, no, FS does not support true wing warping, plus you'd go crazy animating all the pulleys and wire motions... best not to worry about it.

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Reply #2 - Sep 25^th, 2003 at 5:31pm

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I need a pilot!! Something very intricately made. A person in pilot's gear would be perfect, but anything in the form of a human would be fine.

Needs to be pliable enough so I can squeeze him into the cockpit. I know somebody has made one, and I'm going to be searching here in the next few minutes, but I would appreciate any links you can give me.

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Reply #3 - Sep 25^th, 2003 at 6:32pm

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I need a pilot!! Something very intricately made. A person in pilot's gear would be perfect, but anything in the form of a human would be fine.

Needs to be pliable enough so I can squeeze him into the cockpit. I know somebody has made one, and I'm going to be searching here in the next few minutes, but I would appreciate any links you can give me.

Links ... for source files ... let me see ... do I know of a place that has them? Naaah ....

Endr, you're looking for a "thwack" with a flipped polygon ... get thee hence to Freeflight Design .. Dave Eckert's pilot figure (I think it's in the FSDS library) zip file has his pilot figure in dxf, fsc and gmax forms...

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Reply #4 - Sep 25^th, 2003 at 6:37pm

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Dave Eckert has a pilot shape available. One place to find it is over at the FFDS site. It's in three different file formats - FSC-Gmax-DXF.

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Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2003 at 7:35pm

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That's a nice start!
Here's what I've been toying with... I modeled all the ribs and then covered them with "fabric". This was built with FSDS2.

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Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2003 at 9:15pm

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Great! I've been beaten to the punch! Oh, well. Yours looks better than mine does, so I'll give you the rights.

Dang . . . Embarrassed

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Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2003 at 10:07pm

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Ender - a wet polygon is being prepared your way.

Just because Paul's working on the same plane, doesn't mean you have to stop.

Keep on with yours... you may still beat Paul to the punch!

Heck - both of you should release them at the same time and have a fly-off!

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Reply #8 - Sep 26^th, 2003 at 1:18am

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Okay, well, I exported and got ready to test fly it, but when I pulled it up in FS, I got a message saying the model failed. It exported just fine, with no errors of any kind, and the airfile and .cfg files are both fine, but they wouldn't have anything to do with this problem anyway.

What do you think, Felix?

(And yeah, okay, wet poly to head, got my bearings back)

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Reply #9 - Sep 26^th, 2003 at 3:55am

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Just as an update:

I watched the movie again "Those Magnificent Men . . ." and I noticed that the aircraft that is flown as Demoiselle is actually a little different from the design schematics. Mainly, it has true aielerons and the undercarriage is a bit different. Also, the wooden spars on the wings that are visible in Paul_B's version are covered by fabric in mine. I guess his is made from the original plans, and mine is intended to be a duplicate of the one from the movie.

So what I suggest is we do have a "fly-off", like Felix said. When we both have ours done we can both run the London to Paris route they took in the movie, and see who can get there first. I know of a way to document our trips, so no problems there.

What do you think, Paul?

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Reply #10 - Sep 26^th, 2003 at 8:41am

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Ender,
Don't quit on your project! I build planes for fun and don't release 1/10th of what I build. This version was built from original 3 views available on the web. Yours sounds llike a "modernized" version. Building tail feathers that work like the original is alot of fun.
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Reply #11 - Sep 26^th, 2003 at 9:16am

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Besides, EnderB, knowing Paul, he's going to whip up a version of the Wright Flyer as used in the GE (boo! hiss!) commercial - with a jet engine strapped on top...! (Of course, his Demoiselle will probably be powered by an Atar 9R.)

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Reply #12 - Sep 26^th, 2003 at 4:51pm

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Hey, in my second shot, do you see the two spars sticking out front of the plane? I have those wong; they need to be bent much more, and meet in the middle. The meet in the middle part I can do, but I'm not sure how to bend them. What I did to get them the way they are is poly select and rotate the first three sections (out of four) and then move them up. Then the outer two sections rotate, and then move them up. Ekcetera. What I want to know is, how would you go about it? If there is an easier way, I would love to know about it. If not, I'll just stick with my bumbling way.

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Reply #13 - Sep 26^th, 2003 at 6:04pm

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Hey, in my second shot, do you see the two spars sticking out front of the plane? I have those wong; they need to be bent much more, and meet in the middle. The meet in the middle part I can do, but I'm not sure how to bend them. What I did to get them the way they are is poly select and rotate the first three sections (out of four) and then move them up. Then the outer two sections rotate, and then move them up. Ekcetera. What I want to know is, how would you go about it? If there is an easier way, I would love to know about it. If not, I'll just stick with my bumbling way.

Consider using the bend modifer and fiddle with the settings and gizmo center.

If you want to bend say just the first few sets of vertices, go to vertex sub object, select the vertices you want and adjust the bend gizmo, center, angle and direction until you get the bend you want...

Felix/FFDS

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Reply #14 - Sep 26^th, 2003 at 6:36pm

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EnderB,
Here's a shot from FSDS2 when I noticed that the triangular uprights in the fuse were made of metal. I've also got a "piece" of textured bamboo that I copy and paste when ever I need another piece of wood to work with. This way anoy bamboo I use is pretextured.

Keep going with your project....

As for the GE engine on the Flyer, I think I'll use Rudio's sample that came with FSDS..... LOL..
Paul B.

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