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MAKS 2003 (Read 469 times)
Aug 17
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, 2003 at 3:24pm
Vic
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Hey, anyone here going to the MAKS 2003 airshow? Its the largest airshow in the world and it is taking place here in Moscow from August 19th to 24th (Open to public from 22nd to 24th) Sorry if I seemed to advertise, but I just wanted to get the word out a bit, so basically, its an anual exposition of Aircraft, Weapons, and Space Technologies. They also have science conferences there. This year they have a bunch of countries coming and its larget than the 2001 MAKS (its every 2 years) So this year countries that are featuring their own manufactured aircraft at the expo are U.S., Russian Federation, and the European Union. It is a pretty large event and it will have several new aircraft shown for the first time, check out their site at
http://www.airshow.ru/etable.htm
P.S. I am not working for them
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Aug 17
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, 2003 at 4:08pm
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The usual load of Sukhois... MiG seems to be knock-out a little bit
Russian planes:
IL-76 (all standard length ones)
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Tu-154 and Il-62
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Tu-134
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An-24RV
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Aug 18
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, 2003 at 3:32pm
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Well MiGs are also coming but its just that they got every modern Su over there
I cant wait to see the Su47 in action!
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Aug 19
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, 2003 at 4:21am
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It's the Canard-wing aircraft, iut only got promoted to a Su- designation. S-xx is a prototype, Su-xx is something which could be or is a production machine (or is based on one)
Russian planes:
IL-76 (all standard length ones)
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Tu-154 and Il-62
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Tu-134
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An-24RV
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Aug 19
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the BIGGEST show in the world?!? ???
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Aug 19
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wont be going, cant afford it and prob wouldnt go if could, as i am not a fan of russian aircraft
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Aug 19
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, 2003 at 1:27pm
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same here...i'd go to an US show if i could afford it!
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Aug 20
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, 2003 at 3:26am
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Well russian aircraft have proven to be superior, except for the SR71, but even the americans have admitted that the Su-37 is superior to any American fighter. And yes, the Canard winged Berkut will be there, its called the Su-47 or the S-47. Its wings face forward. It has extreme manueverability, but the speed is only 1.47 MACH. And american fighters will also be there, and static displays, also the russian and american helicopters will be present.
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Aug 20
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, 2003 at 3:45am
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The Su-47 is going to be the primary carrier fighter for russia... only they don't seem to have any carriers in active service at the moment. they sold the Varya to india, and the Kusnetsov is in a bad state
Russian planes:
IL-76 (all standard length ones)
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Tu-154 and Il-62
,
Tu-134
and
An-24RV
&&&&AI flightplans and repaints can be found
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Aug 20
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, 2003 at 3:58am
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has nothing to do with who is superior, just a personal preferance, and to be quite honest with you, if i was up there flying, i would rather have a squadron of F-14's/15's protecting me anyday
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Aug 20
th
, 2003 at 5:24am
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i've read only 200 aircraft will be at the show...in Paris where i was they also got this number of aicraft...and at Fairford they had more than 400 aircraft
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Aug 20
th
, 2003 at 6:18am
Vic
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Well actually, there are aircraft carriers that are not officially listed, the Kuznetsov is pretty old and will most likely be replaced soon, there is the Admiral Gorshky which is the flagship of the Pacific fleet, and Sevastopol which is flagship of baltic fleet (atleast I think its baltic) so there are ones that are not officially listed but if you look into it you will find them, ie. get a friend in the armed forces
. And personally, I dont like the Su-47, it depends purely on the computer to be controlled, without the onboard computer it would be nothing and would barely be able to fly. My favourite is the Su-37 which has those 3D thruster controls 8) Dont even try to outmanuever him
And the MAKS airshow is the biggest not in the sense that it has the most aircraft on display or in flight, but its very big for the aerospace community with all the physists and scientists coming, because if you look at the schedule, its pretty much one press conference and debate after another in the Main Pavillion. And you are welcome to go inside (allthough I dont think you can throw in your idea's that easily to those scientists
. And as for the scientists, a group is representing NASA and there's Boeing's ussual. Rosaviakosmos, Tupolev, and ofcourse Sukhoi, then there are a bunch of small ones I wont even get into
cause im reading it from the official paper so if it interests you just go to the site
. And I would feel incredibly safe if I was defended by a squadron of Su-37's...Id take those over any other fighter (F-15/14's, MiG29's, Su-27 or even Su-47's) Anyday, ESPECIALLY the Eurofighter
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Aug 20
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It used to be US spy satellites that circled above the once top-secret Soviet air base, but this week F-15 fighter jets and a B-52 bomber will slice through the skies over Zhukovsky airfield during the Moscow international air show, which opened yesterday.
For the first time, the US Air Force has brought some of its combat jets to the Russian show, held at what was once one of the Soviet Union's most tightly guarded facilities for testing new military aircraft.
"For us this is a very important opportunity to show the cooperation and the ever-developing ties between our two nations. This is the way forward," said Major General Edward LaFountaine, of the US air force.
President Vladimir Putin was one of the first to tour the show, which runs for six days and also features some of Russia's sleekest fighter jets and helicopter gunships, as well as a display of civilian planes.
After the tour, Mr Putin was treated to a display of air power kicked off by a MiG-29. Next up was a lone F-15 fighter jet, whose roar and vertical acceleration had Mr Putin leaning out of his chair. But it was the low-flying Russian Sukhoi fighters that stole the show, drawing applause as they rocketed past the grandstand.
There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!
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Aug 21
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, 2003 at 1:12pm
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at
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i read an article about the B-52 that arrived at...how do you call that airfield?
the site has a nice shot of the nose art of that plane...i...the 'bomber-nose-art-freak'...must say it's a very cool photo!
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Aug 21
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ZHUKOVSKY is pronounced zu-kov-ski. It was one of the top Soviet aircraft secret test bases.
Mark
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Aug 21
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, 2003 at 2:38pm
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One of the largest runways in the world, enough to get fully airborne and land in almost any russian aircraft
Loads of weird-nosed tupolevs on the tarmac
Russian planes:
IL-76 (all standard length ones)
,
Tu-154 and Il-62
,
Tu-134
and
An-24RV
&&&&AI flightplans and repaints can be found
here
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Aug 21
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, 2003 at 4:28pm
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Very True Ivan, and tomorrow im gonna be there
I cant wait and I cant sleep!! its past midnight and Im anxious like crazy! The business part of the airshow ended today with the Streza and the Russian Knights doing some flights, and tomorrow at 11am it kicks off the Public exhibit! Allthough the B-52 isnt even close to being the highlight (the highlight is the Su-37) why you all caught up on it
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Aug 22
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so Vic...now we all know you go to the show...we all expect a whole bunch of photos...of course, that's the way we work around here!
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Aug 29
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, 2003 at 6:53pm
Vic
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Hey guys, I am sorry for the week long delay for my post here, its cause we have just finished our move to moscow from canada and we had no internet here for a week before we could hook it up. well anyways enuf of my life and on to MAKS: the pictures you shall have when I can find a scanner to scan em, about in one week time I will make a post with the pics.
Getting There:
Needless to say, they expected problems from the start, not ones in the air, but on the ground. The territory of the Zhukovsky airfield is very large, however, every day except for the start on friday, there were 200,000 people attending. Thats an enormous ammount to get from the city to the airfield on the outskirts. However, the Moscow government was well prepared, they had commuter trains going off from the dowtown train station 'Kazanskii Vokzal' to the station nearest to Zhukovsky 'Otdih'. Needless to say, these trains were packed so full that people trying to be smart to 'beat the crowd' and get on the train not at the departure point, but one of the stations in between, had serious problems trying to get into the train, if they could fit into it at all. I was one of the lucky ones, I was one of the first ones in the train and I got a seat, while about 40 others, not so lucky, had to stand for the 45 minute trip. For those who brought cars, a nearby airport, Bykovo, was closed down for the weekend and the airfield was made into a LARGE parking area, and I mean large, over 10,000 cars at the busiest time. As before, the government officials that organised the event did not faulter, there were no traffic jams while leaving, it was a nice grid systems with 4 exits onto 4 seperate roads from the airport, so when leaving, you had a slow, but steady flow of cars, about 20km/h for the first 15 minutes before entering the parking area. From Bykovo and from the train station 'Otdih' there were shuttle buses that took us to the actual Zhukovsky airfield. Once we got off the bus, we encountered the next step: security. This was extremely high, and we had to wait about 20 minutes to get into the MAKS area, the gates to MAKS lookes just like an airport security area, metal detectors, X-ray machines, plus a quick search of the bag and a K9 unit beside the metal detectors. There were, thankfully, no disturbances or incidents reported.
Inside:
When just passing security, you come head on to a stationary, brand new, Illyushin 96-400 (brand new model) you could touch it and everything, but not mess around with the landing gears, they had them fenced off, and the engines covered up (on all stationary aircraft) to prevent some idiots from throwing objects inside the engine. Now to the left of the IL96 are about 100 aircraft, fighters and helicopters on either side of the taxiway, you can go up to and touch most, and with a few you could climb in the cocpit! There was also a IL-76MD and a A-50 that were the large aircraft to the left. The most interecting I found was Saturn's exhibit, Saturn is a russian (government owned) company that makes high tech jet engines, and their exhibit was 2 modified Su-37 fighters for experimental purposes at the Gromov Flight Research Center (based in Zhukovsky). Between these jets was a pretty large screen and it showed the details of the engines and why they were so special, the exhaust could actually be directed in any direction giving the jet manuevering capabilities that named it most advanced in the world ever since its debut in Fairford in 98 when it wowed the crowds with its legendary vertical position, but horizontal flight. Sukhoi also had the whole Su-27 Flanker family on display, and when heading back toward the IL96, taking a left brings you to the large jets, the B52, the AN74, another IL96, a new model of the Tu-204, an experimental Tu-334, and several more large jets and prop planes. The thing I found the best here was that I was able to go inside the Tu-334, which is still in the process of getting russian and international certification this one is a prototype, it has 620 flights and needs 1000 for certification, 6 units are in factory and almost done while one is undergoing finishing touches in Samara to join its sister in september to get certification faster. Basically, to sum it up in a few sentances, I loved it, this jet was much better than any russian jet of its size and better than the A318 (which is the same size as it) and all the Mcdonnel Douglas series planes that are its size. First of all, the controls are comfortable and state of the art, it is very roomy, allthough at first glance it looks like a small bird, it holds a little over 100 passengers, in a 3-3 configuration, in one salon. The back section of the plane was set up in passenger config while the front part was full of equipment used to measure airflow, fuel consumption and other variables, it is still, after all, a prototype. The headroom was much more than that of a DC9 and so was leg room. Also, unprofessional of me to say, but I think that from the outside, this plane would have to be the cutest civilian plane I have ever seen
, and no if you were wondering, I dont have a thing for this plane
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The Flights:
The flights lasted about 6 hours, starting with an Italian team of 10 small jets that wowed the crowds with their head on flights and use of smoke, second was the russian team Russ, it was a time killer to make was for the next team but the 4 man team did some very good head on flights and 'starbursts'. Then, the team that I liked the most, the French, on their Mirage fighters, the 10 frogs dazzled the crowds with their vertical climbs, starbursts and best of all, their use of smoke, they several times made the French Flag in the sky and then what put a smile on everyone's face, a giant, blue and white heart in the sky followed by a large russian flag to get the 200,000 people on the ground on their side. Next were the Shtrizhi, not bad, the powerfull MiG29's really can climb fast, make alot of noise and put on a show, but they made no effort to wow the crowds, the best thing about them would be a vertical climb with a spin while deploying their trademark firework flares. Next was the F15, not bad but it was shoved into the shadow by the Su-37, which had the crowds wiping their eyes in dispbelief as this thing moved at a fast speed, to turn up and angle its special engines mentioned above, and stop in mid air, to drop straight down, idlining engines in an eerie silence, only to turn them on in the final seconds to make a beautiful recovery, hats off to the pilot and all the time he spent practicing those manuevers. So in my opinion, the team award goes to the Frogs, followed closely by the closing Russian Knights in their Su-27's which also put on a huge show, and the individual award goes to the Su-37!. There were many I did not mention cause they were simple demo flights, not displays, like the Tu-204 for example.
Leaving MAKS
Easier said than done, try having an airfield full of about 170,000 people that stay till the last minute try to leave through a bottleneck (the bottleneck was on purpose cause only 8 shuttle buses could fit in the pickup area at one time) Ofcourse there has to be pushing and shoving in the great heroic russian spirit of 'I wanna get there first' but even this the organisers could cure with: skydivers, yes, the Russian Special Forces put on a show for us while we made the way through the bottlneck onto the buses to Bykovo and Otdih, but at Otdih, as you can understand, you can only have so many trains on a track at once, and since about 150,000 to 170,000 people stayed to the last minute, getting back took 1.5 hours, 2 times longer than getting there, and all this, was worth it!
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