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Jul 24th, 2003 at 1:55pm

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Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

It was scary enough when passengers learned that their Rome-to-New York flight had what the crew termed a "major" technical problem. Then the Alitalia jet made a U-turn over the ocean and headed back to land, where emergency rescue crews were waiting at the airport in Shannon, Ireland, an hour later.

It wasn't until they got off the plane that they saw the windshield above the captain's seat in the Boeing 777 was shattered, with blankets and pillows from the cabin piled up behind it. "My heart started racing even more than it had been on the plane," said Vinnie Gioia of Mastic, who was returning from a family trip to Sicily when Alitalia Flight 610 made the emergency landing Sunday evening.

Boeing officials say the device that prevents the windshield from fogging up apparently overheated, shattering the inside layer and sparking a fire. The pilots put out the fire in the cockpit with a fire extinguisher, but the inner layer of the acrylic-glass material that makes up the windshield began to splinter, with pieces falling into the cockpit.

It could have been worse. "You make an emergency landing because there is a high risk that the windshield will deteriorate to the point that it fails," said Michael Barr of the aviation safety institute at the University of Southern California. "You don't want to lose pressurization."

If an aircraft at a high altitude -- the Alitalia plane was at 39,000 feet -- loses pressurization, the flight crew is at risk of being sucked out. The Alitalia jet quickly descended to close to 10,000 feet, where pressurization is not an issue.

It's not the first time the windshield on a Boeing 777 has shattered when the heating element malfunctioned. Federal Aviation Administration records show two instances of windshields on the world's largest twinjet shattering in the past year.

On Oct. 26, 2002, the outer glass of the windshield of a United Airlines Boeing 777 shattered while the plane was preparing to land because of electrical arcing in the wiring between the layers of window material. The problem was blamed on moisture getting into an area designed to be watertight. Two months later, on Dec. 26, 2002, another United 777 made an emergency descent when the same thing happened.

"If it's happened three times, they had better fix the problem pretty quickly," Barr said. "That's called blood priority."

The FAA would say only that it was aware of the latest incident. Boeing spokeswoman Elizabeth Verdier said the manufacturer had received a report on the incident from Alitalia. "It isn't real common but it isn't unusual. The heating elements do sometimes overheat," she said.

The material that makes up the windshield is sturdy, designed to handle the impact of bird strikes. But a short in electrical anti-fog device can "cook" the material, Barr said.

The flight carrying about 300 passengers, destined for Kennedy Airport, Sunday afternoon in clear weather. About two hours after takeoff, passengers noticed an electrical smell, and not long after that the flight crew announced a "major" technical problem that had to be addressed immediately.

The flight attendants turned off the overhead monitor that tracks the flight, showing its speed, altitude and location. But Gioia was able to get the seatback monitor in front of him to work, and watched as the aircraft made a U-turn and descended to close to 10,000 feet, where it flew for nearly an hour, he said, after which the plane made an uneventful landing.

"I'm not going to say we said goodbye to each other ... but we held hands," said Gioia, who was traveling with his wife, two sons, ages 4 and 7, and his 7-year-old nephew. After an overnight stay in Ireland, Alitalia put the passengers on another flight to Kennedy on Monday.
 

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Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2003 at 2:20pm

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......Boeing spokeswoman Elizabeth Verdier said the manufacturer had received a report on the incident from Alitalia. "It isn't real common but it isn't unusual. The heating elements do sometimes overheat," she said.
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Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2003 at 2:21pm

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The material that makes up the windshield is sturdy, designed to handle the impact of bird strikes. But a short in electrical anti-fog device can "cook" the material, Barr said

they aint kidding:) they fire dead thawed out chickens at over 200 mph at the windscreens and engines for these planes:)
lets just be thankful these windows are so thick.
 
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Reply #3 - Jul 24th, 2003 at 2:31pm

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Posted by: CraigL Posted on: Today at 2:21pm
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they aint kidding they fire dead thawed out chickens at over 200 mph at the windscreens and engines for these planes
lets just be thankful these windows are so thick.  

I remember hearing a funny story about that Craig.
I forget all the facts but....
Some airline company did these tests and were selling this great windsheild feature to other countries to try to sell their aircraft. They bought the aircraft and wanted to demo the chicken thing to others.
When the chicken was launched at the windshield, the bird went right through!!!
The people called the aircraft designers and said, "why did the dead bird go right through the windshield, we thought you said it could withstand such an enormous impact?"
The aircraft designer laughed and said............"You were supposed to DEFROST the chicken before launching it at the windshield"!!!    Grin

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Reply #4 - Jul 24th, 2003 at 2:35pm

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HAHAHA Grin that is a good one:)
although you would have thought someone should have known Roll Eyes
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as one guy said though, as long as they only encounter dead chickens being fired at them at 30,000 feet they should be ok:)
 
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Reply #5 - Jul 24th, 2003 at 2:35pm

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Well you're not getting me on one until Boeing have fixed this "isn't real common, but isn't unusual problem".
I'll stick to An-2s and Mi-24s (I'm still gloating everyone Grin).
My favourite chicken story is the top secret tests by the British government to see the effects of overhead supersonic flight (obviously before my time, I like on the deck supersonic flight), to see if it was safe to use Concorde near Britain.

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Reply #6 - Jul 24th, 2003 at 3:14pm

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Hmmm. This rings a bell. Does anyone remember a similar incident concerning a British regional airliner? It hit the headlines some years ago. I think a side window blew out rather than the windscreen. The Captain or First Officer was dragged half-way out of the cockpit. He was only saved by one of the stewardesses hanging on to his ankles. The plane landed 30 minutes later with him still out there. Almost froze to death.

I read the accident report & it turned out the window frame bolts were too short. One of the maintenance guys had fitted the wrong ones by mistake. It caused a heck of a row at the time. I can't remember the aircraft type or the airline now. It might have been a BAe (Avro) 748.
 

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Reply #7 - Jul 24th, 2003 at 3:17pm

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maybe its time to think about one of two things, a double glazed window, may add to weight but its safer. or make seat belts mandatory for the cockpit crew in flight. if the passengers are supposed to when seated why not crew, especially if these things are happening
 
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Reply #8 - Jul 24th, 2003 at 3:25pm

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if the passengers are supposed to when seated why not crew, especially if these things are happening 


How would we get all our delicious airline food served to us then!!   Grin

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I believe the flight crew have to strap in. And Doug I seem to remember the incident you were talking about. I didn't envy him at all, and I like mad things like that (see the cargo net stunt in The Living Daylights for my idea of fun.....).
Err Dave, when we say strapping in we don't mean the S&M trip provided by Hooters..... Grin Grin Grin Isn't your good lady wife back to keep you in order yet?

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the way these airlines are charging for food these days, i cant afford to eat:) i think i read something like $2's a soda. and $7's for a sandwich pack, heeeeellllll no:)
i am really going for cockpit crew, and besides they dont serve food till seat belt sign is off.
 
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Hmmm. This rings a bell. Does anyone remember a similar incident concerning a British regional airliner? It hit the headlines some years ago. I think a side window blew out rather than the windscreen. The Captain or First Officer was dragged half-way out of the cockpit. He was only saved by one of the stewardesses hanging on to his ankles. The plane landed 30 minutes later with him still out there. Almost froze to death.

I read the accident report & it turned out the window frame bolts were too short. One of the maintenance guys had fitted the wrong ones by mistake. It caused a heck of a row at the time. I can't remember the aircraft type or the airline now. It might have been a BAe (Avro) 748.


Hi Doug... Grin...!
If I remember correctly, at the time, you posted some pictures of the distorted fuselage, and the offending window...
..a bit scary...!

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the way these airlines are charging for food these days, i cant afford to eat:) i think i read something like $2's a soda. and $7's for a sandwich pack, heeeeellllll no:)

Those must be the cheaper outfits Craig. The food comes free on all the airlines I've been on. I'm assuming this is still the case.

I don't know about the 777 but windscreens are usually laminated & double glazed. In this case it seems the demisting element is the problem, not the window itself.

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and besides they dont serve food till seat belt sign is off.

I don't think the windscreen takes any notice of the seat belt sign. Wink
 

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i am not quite sure about the british airlines but the majority of the US majors are now charging for food and drinks on domestic flights, i am not so sure on the international, but i imagine they would be commiting suicide if they charged on those
 
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Hi Doug... Grin...!
If I remember correctly, at the time, you posted some pictures of the distorted fuselage, and the offending window...
..a bit scary...!

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Hi Paul. I'm not sure of the date but the incident I'm thinking of happened before I retired. That was before I had a 'puter or SimV even existed. Roll Eyes
 

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There was an incident about 6 years ago Hagar were the co-pilot was nearly sucked out of the plane. I remember it because it was shortly before my second holiday in Hungary, which lead to my moving out here some 4 1/2 years ago.

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Thanks Ozzy. That narrows it down a bit. I'm sure it must be the one I'm talking about. Fortunately, I don't think that sort of thing happens too often.  Roll Eyes
 

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Well, I got some of it right. I'm sure a stewardess was involved.

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BAC-111  Oxfordshire, England On a flight from Birmingham, England to Malaga, Spain, at FL 173, a large section of windshield fell away from the aircraft. The decompression pulled the captain out from under his seatbelt. Despite trying to hold onto the yoke, the captain was sucked out into the opening. A steward in the cockpit was able to grab hold of his legs. Another steward was able to strap himself into the vacant seat and aid in holding onto the captain's legs. The copilot wearing full restraints made an emergency landing at Southampton. The captain remained half way out of the aircraft for 15 minutes and suffered only frostbite and some fractures. Improper bolts used to replace the windshield two days earlier resulted in the accident. 
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Gosh was it really 13 years ago!!! I can't believe it, I suppose the weird and wonderful stick more firmly in ones mind than the mundane.

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Gosh was it really 13 years ago!!! I can't believe it, I suppose the weird and wonderful stick more firmly in ones mind than the mundane.

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My thoughts exactly. Tempus fugit as they used to say.  Wink

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