I didn't know that we made our own version. It had a couple of upgrades. Both of which solved the 'shortcomings' that most consider made the F86 slightly inferior to the MiG15.

I got this off Mike Stone's write up for his new plane. The Ca 27 - as it was called. (real simple folk we are - all the planes made by us were a CA (then the next number up). I think the P51's we made were Ca 14's or something.

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Pretty nifty, eh 

Funny - the "CA" aircraft were built by "Commonwealth Aircraft and I understand that the the  numerical designation generally was the contract block, rather than specific aircraft designator, so that you have the Wirraway CA-1, -3, -5, -7, -8, Boomerang CA-12, -13, -14, 19  ...  Mustang CA-17/18


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You're welcome Ozzy. My head is full of the useless information I've been cramming in there for something like 50 years. I see something in a thread like this that jogs my memory. I also learn a lot more from you guys to add for future reference if I can find room for it. 

Here's a photo of Canadair built Sabre 4 (XB812) preserved at the RAF Museum Hendon . http://www.airliners.net/open.file/298366/M/
This example served with 93 Squadron RAF from May 1954 for about 1 year. It was transferred to the Italian Air Force some time in 1955. (93 Squadron converted to the Hunter in January 1956, which it operated until being disbanded on 31 December 1960.) One of my old workmates maintained the engines on RAF Sabres during his time with Airwork Ltd on ministry contacts. He told me they were delight to work on compared with the Supermarine Attacker which he had previously serviced. Unlike Hawkers, Supermarine were never really successful with jets. The Spitfire was their finest achievement & the end of the line.

PS. Brensec. You might find this interesting. http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/MEGGS_sabre.html

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I think it depends who you ask. National pride comes into this, as always, & opinions vary. I've read that the Canadair Sabre 6 with the Orenda 14 was the ultimate version. The point being they were both more powerful than the original. (General Electric J-47 turbojet of 5,200 lbs thrust. )

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This would have been the Rolls Royce Avon - as fitted to the Hawker Hunter, DH Comet & various other 50's jets. The Avon is still giving reliable service today as a stationary power source. I had an idea it also powered the RAF versions of the Canadair Sabres but could be wrong on this point. RAF aircraft are usually fitted with British built engines. The Avon was already being built under licence in Australia under a previous agreement.

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Rolls-Royce Avon RA.3 Mk 1: 6,500 lb (28.9 kN) thrust. http://www.shanaberger.com/engines/avon.htm
Avro Canada Orenda 14 turbojet, 7,275 lb (3,300 kg) static thrust engine. http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/Eng/collection/sd027e.htm

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The MiG vs Sabre argument has been going on for 50 years & could easily last for several more. LOL
Don't forget that these "improved" versions were a later development & benefitted from the latest technology. The F-86 had already been in production for some years (first delivered to USAF in February 1949) & was being replaced by other types in the mid-50s. Jet engine development was in its infancy at the time it was in service with the USAF.

The way I see it, you can't stop progress for the sake of sentiment. Many unwanted prototypes were destroyed at that time without a second thought, along with the 1,000s of perfectly serviceable (sometimes brand new) military aircraft surplus to requirements at the end of WWII. (I've read about surplus naval aircraft being dumped at sea by simply pushing them over the side.) I could quote so many examples of abandoned prototypes, one being the Supermarine Spiteful. http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/spiteful/spiteful_en.htm Direct descendant of the Spitfire, its fate was sealed by the new jets before it was ready for service. Things moved fast in those exciting times. The Spiteful wings were used for the Attacker, Supermarine's first (& not too successful) venture into jet aircraft.

I could be wrong but always looked on the CA-15 as being strongly influenced by, if not a natural development of, the P-51D, much the same as with the Avon Sabre. The P-51D was also built under licence by CAC.
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To me, the CA-15 never had the classic lines of the P-51. Not being Aussie, I find it interesting but naturally don't have the same affection for it as you. The Hawker Sea Fury was always my ideal as the ultimate piston-engined fighter, a true thoroughbred. 

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It was a Fairey Firefly that was lost at Duxford. Not in the same class as the Sea Fury but even rarer.

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The engine has a lot to do with the look of an aircraft. For example, compare the Mark I & Mark V (inline water cooled Napier Sabre) with the Mark II (Bristol Centaurus radial) Hawker Tempest. Although basically the same airframe they look like completely different aircraft. I've seen the thumbnail of the CFS2 model of the P&W powered CA-15. This makes it look more like the Sea Fury to my eyes.

All designers are influenced by their contemporaries & competitors. It's not surprising that aircraft designed for a specific purpose look similar.

I was also going to mention the Jug. I think that's due to the similar engine cowling. I've only seen the thumbnail in the CFS2 section. Maybe it's the particular markings that reminds me of a Sea Fury.