Search the archive:
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
 
   
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Bl**dy W*ndows (Read 915 times)
Jun 8th, 2003 at 9:28pm

Smoke2much   Offline
Colonel
The Unrepentant Heretic
Sittingbourne, Kent,

Posts: 3879
*****
 
??? Embarrassed Undecided   ??? Embarrassed Undecided   ??? Embarrassed Undecided   ??? Embarrassed Undecided   ??? Embarrassed Undecided

Sad


I have had my computer since November 2001.  It is fairly decent PIV 1.7Ghz, 512MbRam, GeForce 2 Mx400, 60GB Hard drive.

It came pre-installed with Windows ME and I was advised to get rid of this and get XP when it came out, which I did.  Then the problems started.  I had to re-format and re-install about five times.  January this year I had enough and scrapped XP, going "backwards" to ME.  I will be honest, it hasn't been perfect.  Even with the most upto date drivers and DX9.0 I have lost about 5FPS and the graphics aren't quite as good.  CFS3 stutters a little more as well.  Otherwise it has been fine.

Two days ago I thought "What the Hell, I'll put XP back on."  Bad move.  1st I lost my internet connection.  No dial tone it said.  Then today nothing would run.  I must have restarted 20 times.  I uninstalled and re-installed stuff to no good effect.  The net result is that I now have NOTHING installed once more and I am not a happy bunny.

Bl**dy W*ndows.

This time, if it aint broke I won't fix it.

Will Sad
 

Who switched the lights off?  I can't see a thing.......  Hold on, my eyes were closed.  Oops, my bad...............&&...
IP Logged
 
Reply #1 - Jun 8th, 2003 at 9:50pm

Blade   Offline
Colonel
Annapolis, MD

Gender: male
Posts: 2477
*****
 
Best move now would be to get a new PC I think...
 

...&&&&Dell 4550&&P4 2.53Ghz &&512MB DDR SDRAM&&GeForceFX 5900 129MB&&60GB HD @ 7200RPM &&PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN
IP Logged
 
Reply #2 - Jun 8th, 2003 at 9:55pm

Smoke2much   Offline
Colonel
The Unrepentant Heretic
Sittingbourne, Kent,

Posts: 3879
*****
 
Why?  It's a software issue.  I might invest in a new hard drive but a whole new computer I cannot afford.

Will
 

Who switched the lights off?  I can't see a thing.......  Hold on, my eyes were closed.  Oops, my bad...............&&...
IP Logged
 
Reply #3 - Jun 9th, 2003 at 12:14am

Paz   Offline
Colonel
USA

Gender: male
Posts: 1922
*****
 
 Sounds kind of strange to me, I had two computers running Windows ME, and had a lot of different minor issues, lock ups, games just ending and jumping back to the desktop for no reason.
 I upgraded one to XP and it ran excellent afterwards, and also my main machine runs XP flawlessly, I have praised XP for it's stability and recommend it over ME anyday, although I've kept ME on one of my other machines and I have no problems with it.

The only time I ever re-format a computer is when it is totally non-responsive, but I have never re-formated the same machine 5 times.

 I know this doesn't help with your problem, but I agree with you that it is not necessary to invest in a whole new machine.
 I would suggest that if no one can help you here, you should go log on to one of these forums and be very detailed in your description of problems, I'm sure someone can help you as these are technical forums.

http://www.techzonez.com/

http://www.computerforums.net/

http://cgi.techtv.com/messageboards?action=board_view&board_id=17

http://computing.net/forums/

 Good luck, I hope you get your problems worked out.

 
 

&&Still no linked images allowed around here Paz! Naughty...&&
IP Logged
 
Reply #4 - Jun 9th, 2003 at 6:09am

ozzy72   Offline
Global Moderator
Pretty scary huh?
Madsville

Gender: male
Posts: 37122
*****
 
Bad luck Will. I've been running XP Pro since it came out, and I've only had two crashes. One caused by conflicting software, the other by my being a bit of a brain donor!
On the whole I like XP, but I haven't taken on-board any of the upgrades and patches from M$, I've just resolved the issues myself. If you need a hand drop me a line and I'll try and help.

Mark
 

...
There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!
IP Logged
 
Reply #5 - Jun 9th, 2003 at 8:20am

Hagar   Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159
*****
 
I'm no expert on the pros & cons regarding various operating systems & can only go from my own experience. I've had 2 PCs since becoming interested in the M$ sims, both built to my own specs. The first one came with Win95 installed which was fine for FS98 & CFS1. I updated to Win98 when FS2000 was released & subsequently to WinMe. Apart from the odd BSOD I never had a problem with any of these setups. From this experience I opted for WinMe for my present machine, rather than XP which had only just hit the market. This has again run perfectly with no problems I can think of. In all this time I've never reformatted my HD or needed to reinstall Windows. On seeing the constant problems members of this forum alone seem to have with WinXP I think I made the correct decision.  8)

However, my faithful current rig is getting old. It's comparatively low-end now & I realise I will soon need another new one. I'm still trying to make up my mind on which OS to use. Do I continue with WinMe, try XP or even go back to Win98 SE - which I've been told by someone whose judgement I trust is the most suitable OS for the M$ sims. ???

I have 2 friends who recently purchased new machines. Both had WinXP Home Edition installed from the start. Up till now they've have had no problems with it whatsoever. I have many friends in the FS community. Some tell me the same, apart from the odd conflict with some earlier FS aircraft. These have been overcome by using the appropriate utility. Others tell me the exact opposite. It seems you either love XP or hate it. There's no in-between. What am I to do?  ???
Maybe I'll plump for Win98 SE. LOL
 

...

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery
IP Logged
 
Reply #6 - Jun 9th, 2003 at 8:41am

Craig.   Offline
Colonel
Birmingham

Gender: male
Posts: 18590
*****
 
hagar i can personally say XP is my fav, i have used 95 98 and XP and it goes down as the best in my opinion, it took a few days to get used to when switching form the old OS as i was so used to it but after tweaking it it became perfect, i have never had to reinstall it although i have a few times but that was personal preferance to keep it clear of hidden viruses and kee it running fast as i have nothing major to loose
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #7 - Jun 9th, 2003 at 8:58am

Hagar   Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159
*****
 
Thanks Craig. As you point out, I have nothing to lose with a brand new machine so I might as well try it. Knowing me, I will be one of the XP haters & regret it. LOL

It will also cost more as I already purchased Win98 & the Me update. I'm a confirmed skinflint & the one thing I never liked doing is wasting my hard-earned cash.  Roll Eyes
 

...

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery
IP Logged
 
Reply #8 - Jun 9th, 2003 at 10:10am

BFMF   Offline
Colonel
Pacific Northwest

Gender: male
Posts: 19820
*****
 
that's windoze for you Roll Eyes

My brother uses WinME and it runs fine most of the time.

I've been using WinXP pro for past year or two. It's pretty stable most of the time, but it DOES have it's drawbacks. Imo, the most annoying thing about XP is that it likes to eat and leak memory
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2003 at 1:52am

stormy   Offline
Colonel
BC Canada Vancouver Island

Gender: female
Posts: 1615
*****
 
Quote:
??? Embarrassed Undecided   ??? Embarrassed Undecided   ??? Embarrassed Undecided   ??? Embarrassed Undecided   ??? Embarrassed Undecided

Sad


I have had my computer since November 2001.  It is fairly decent PIV 1.7Ghz, 512MbRam, GeForce 2 Mx400, 60GB Hard drive.

It came pre-installed with Windows ME and I was advised to get rid of this and get XP when it came out, which I did.  Then the problems started.  I had to re-format and re-install about five times.  January this year I had enough and scrapped XP, going "backwards" to ME.  I will be honest, it hasn't been perfect.  Even with the most upto date drivers and DX9.0 I have lost about 5FPS and the graphics aren't quite as good.  CFS3 stutters a little more as well.  Otherwise it has been fine.

Two days ago I thought "What the Hell, I'll put XP back on."  Bad move.  1st I lost my internet connection.  No dial tone it said.  Then today nothing would run.  I must have restarted 20 times.  I uninstalled and re-installed stuff to no good effect.  The net result is that I now have NOTHING installed once more and I am not a happy bunny.

Bl**dy W*ndows.

This time, if it aint broke I won't fix it.

Will Sad


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh do I ever hear you on this subject . I hate my computer right now as well because of the same problems.......Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  Sad Sad Sad
 

...
&&
Women Rule!!!!!!need I say more!!!!!!!
&&
IP Logged
 
Reply #10 - Jun 10th, 2003 at 10:07am
RollerBall   Ex Member

 
Roll Eyes

Hi all.

I've just got back today with a client's PC that I've been trying to reconfigure for 2 days after upgrading it (when I only allowed and can charge for half a day!)

The thing is we talk about Windows but we forget that actually Windows consists of a cobbling together of hundreds of programs all trying to work in unison - all designed and made by humans - all perfect or imperfect to a greater or lesser extent. Is it any wonder that there are problems with em from time to time - especially if the setup was not 'perfect to spec' in the beginning.

That's the starting point- you need to set things up right , clean and with the right drivers in the first place. If you don't, you'll have trouble later. If you do take the trouble you'll likely have much less of a 'bumpy ride'!

The next thing is the dicussions about 95 v 98 v ME v XP. Look at it this way - have BMW learnt nothing by making different versions of the 5 series between 1986 and now? Of course they have. Which do you think is the 'better' version - a 1988 model or a 2003? Silly question isn't it. Surely you assume that the latest knowledge base is built into the current model and the old one is 'out of date' although it still runs and gets you from A to B. Why should software be any different - I mean, chip design hasn't changed a BIT over the last 10 years has it?

Don't listen to any 'expert' who tells you 98 is 'better' than XP, but remember that XP Home is what it says it is. It's NOT Pro.

It's easy to bash Windows - and I'm no M$ fan as anyone who knows me will tell. But I remember what it was like when you had to choose your software to match your particular flavour of OS, to install printers and HOPE that they would work - at least in the app that you're presently working in, to set up pathetically slow serial connections to remote computers down a rubber device clamped over your phone receiver - and wonder why half of what you got out was rubbish and to have to spend ages learning the intricate commands of DOS to do the simplest things with your PC that would screw up totally just because you happen to have got 1 key stroke wrong when you typed the commands in.

Now we take ALL of those things for granted and it's all down to the foresight and skill of the likes of IBM, Jobs and, yes, even our friend Mr Gates.

Like today when I've been having BIG problems I run Windows and I realise just how little I am ACTUALLY in control of things. But I know that if I do it right, it will end up doing what I want it to do - and to a very high degree of reliablity as well.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2003 at 10:27am

Hagar   Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159
*****
 
Thanks Roger for your excellent advice. As a pro you're far more qualified than me on this subject. What you say makes perfect sense but you see my dilemma. Everyone has different opinions depending on their own experiences. Personally, I'm convinced that most problems with XP are caused not by the OS itself but by how it's installed & set up. It seems updating from Win98Hagar is not the best way to go although I don't see why M$ would sell updates if they don't work.  Roll Eyes

Being a complete idiot with this side of things I leave it to the pros. I tell them what I want & pay for their expertise. I've never had a serious problem with either of my 2 PCs so far so I think this must prove something.

Quote:
Don't listen to any 'expert' who tells you 98 is 'better' than XP,

I was told this by a senior member of the M$ CFS3 development team. I don't know what to believe any more. LOL  ???
 

...

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery
IP Logged
 
Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2003 at 10:27am

BFMF   Offline
Colonel
Pacific Northwest

Gender: male
Posts: 19820
*****
 
Ahh, the sight of BeOS itself is relaxing 8)
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2003 at 10:33am

BFMF   Offline
Colonel
Pacific Northwest

Gender: male
Posts: 19820
*****
 
Quote:
Don't listen to any 'expert' who tells you 98 is 'better' than XP,


I think it all depends on what you're trying to do with the OS. I've noticed a few games that I have that ran better in Win98. I've also got some programs that do run in WinXP, but it takes for ever to launch. I think it has something to do with the CD verification on some games that takes a while
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2003 at 11:35am

stormy   Offline
Colonel
BC Canada Vancouver Island

Gender: female
Posts: 1615
*****
 
Embarrassed Undecided Undecided Cry
My computer is just posessed I think......oh well Grrrrrrrrrrr Embarrassed
 

...
&&
Women Rule!!!!!!need I say more!!!!!!!
&&
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print