Simviation Forum - B744 from Atlantic Sun Airways

May 28^th, 2003 at 12:44pm

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Hi,

This is a slightly edited shot of a B744 from my VA, Atlantic Sun Airways...

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Reply #1 - May 28^th, 2003 at 1:03pm

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Nice Plane!

Are you the one doing the round the world trip over at Flightsim? If so, I have been following it for a few weeks now, and haven't seen any new trips lately? when are you planning to continue?

Thanks

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Reply #2 - May 28^th, 2003 at 1:11pm

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Hey,

Thanks! Yes, I'm still flying it but you know FlightSim.com these days... within hours your post is on Page 4... Grin

Do a search for "philliptan" and you should see the posts... I'm now on my 72nd flight and I'm in Athens... how many did you miss? Ok... right now, the last 3 flights are on Page 2, 7 & 11...

Once again, thanks for following my RTW trip... Cheesy

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Reply #3 - May 28^th, 2003 at 1:22pm

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awesome...I had missed that one page 2.

Whats your flight plan?

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Reply #4 - May 29^th, 2003 at 2:59am

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Well, I'll be heading up the Eastern Bloc, and then through Scandanavia, back down through Germany and Holland, then the UK, Iceland, Greenland before I hit Canada and USA...

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Reply #5 - May 29^th, 2003 at 4:17pm

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well, if you pass over Holland...don't forget to fly over Belgium...why do people always forget this little thingie on the map?

nice edit too! couldn't find what you edited untill i saw the hazy air behind the nozzles...very realistic!

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Reply #6 - May 29^th, 2003 at 4:22pm

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Hey, thanks! I'll keep that in mind...

If you do visit FlightSim.com's Screenshot forums, look out for my Round the World posts... Grin

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Reply #7 - Jun 2^nd, 2003 at 2:46pm

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nice pic

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Reply #8 - Jun 2^nd, 2003 at 3:11pm

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Hi,

This is a slightly edited shot of a B744 from my VA, Atlantic Sun Airways...

I just checked out the Boeing site to see what the heck a 744 was and guess what ? ???..........no such plane..... Sad

Are you re-naming a 747-400 a 744 ?

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Reply #9 - Jun 2^nd, 2003 at 4:17pm

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Yes, the official designation is a Boeing 747-400. Most people call it the B744. I'm surprised you don't know this.

Use Google, search for B744 and a lot of references to the aircraft will come up. Companies like Alitalia, British Airways, China Airlines, JAL, ANA, Polar Airways (just to name a few) all refer to it as a B744. Even the FAA refers to it as a B744.

I don't think I need to spell out in full what is common knowledge. All the guys above appreciated the post for what it is. A screenshot post.

Just so you'll be convinced that the people who oughta know what a B744 is, actually use the term B744... I present to you the departure schedules of Christchurch Airport in New Zealand...http://www.christchurch-airport.co.nz/FIDS/wkintlscheddep_2.htm

Thanks!

Let me know if you need further references...

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Reply #10 - Jun 2^nd, 2003 at 4:49pm

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I just checked out the Boeing site to see what the heck a 744 was and guess what ? ???..........no such plane..... Sad

Are you re-naming a 747-400 a 744 ?

Uhm, do you know anything about commercial aviation? Maybe you should do a little more research before you openly insert your foot in your mouth again...

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Reply #11 - Jun 2^nd, 2003 at 5:41pm

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hey mark first of all ken has prooven on more than one occasion his knowledge of the aviation world. he has provided myself with answers that i could not find and he has on more than one occasion spent his time searching for this info if he had to. when it comes down to terms like 744, its not a common term used, and i havent seen it used regulary, and mainly over at airliners.net site where most of their forum users tend to act as we call them in the wrestling world smarks, or people who may know alot about the business but have actually little knowledge of the inside workings of the business, be it aviation wrestling or cow dung tossing.
before you go on a people who have earnt alot of respect from all of us here, maybe go register yourself and take a look at the info and help he has provided before making comments like that

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Reply #12 - Jun 2^nd, 2003 at 6:02pm

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before you go on a people who have earnt alot of respect from all of us here, maybe go register yourself and take a look at the info and help he has provided before making comments like that

Agreed!!! I have been the recipient of these "guest" people who don't stop and think for a split second before babbling away...and its very irritating...

Mark, this is a forum of highly educated individuals, if you cannot respect peoples questions feel free to go elsewhere.
Otherwise, welcome to the forum...

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Reply #13 - Jun 2^nd, 2003 at 6:02pm

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I wouldn't say that calling a 747-400 a 744 is "not a common term." I can say I hear it very frequently, both in and out of the virtual and real aviation world.

I'm not saying that "Rifleman" doesn't know commercial aviation, all I'm saying is that I was a little surprised he wasn't familiar with the term, as it pops up frequently...

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Reply #14 - Jun 2^nd, 2003 at 10:10pm

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Yes, the official designation is a Boeing 747-400. Most people call it the B744.
Companies like Alitalia, British Airways, China Airlines, JAL, ANA, Polar Airways (just to name a few) all refer to it as a B744. Even the FAA refers to it as a B744.

I don't think I need to spell out in full what is common knowledge. All the guys above appreciated the post for what it is. A screenshot post.

Just so you'll be convinced that the people who oughta know what a B744 is, actually use the term B744... I present to you the departure schedules of Christchurch Airport in New Zealand...http://www.christchurch-airport.co.nz/FIDS/wkintlscheddep_2.htm

Thanks!

Let me know if you need further references...

Just so I am clear on this.........because everyone who you know is jumping off the cliff, shall I expect to see you leading the way or just being carried along with the wave over the crest of the drop ?.......sorry, just my humorous intro..........really now......When I take any interest in aircraft recognition, I always will try to get a positive identity from the manufacturer first.....after all they build it so I guess they should know what they called it.....If shortening the title is a necessary part of your day and you can conserve so much energy by not typing in the other four characters in proper order, then by all means save your energy as you are certainly going to need it to get through life......
I have flown across North America 10 times in my life and have always wondered which "Richard" has been in charge if enumeration when it comes to stating on route maps etc., the A/C ID's.........
One thing you will never convince me of, is the "people who outta know" and what they really do know.........I say this because, if you use an auto dialer on a phone to shorten your workload, then at some point you will be at a phone without this feature and see how many of those numbers you can actually remember to get where you want............full naming is done for a purpose and has more value than you are giving credit for........
.....and as for you assuming that I don't know what this edited forum is about in being here to post screenshots.......take a look back for some of my posts and see what I know.....my work speaks for itself !
I will remember you though, for when I feel my need to come and get some fresh Chinese Gooseberries (known in North America as Kiwi Fruit) I will be sure to call on you for your aforementioned airline schedule......thanks in advance for that info..........

NOW.....can we all get back to posting some interesting "Edited" screenshots here and have some fun............here is one I did a while back.......

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Reply #15 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 12:19am

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Hey, Rifleman

I've read many of your posts and I know of your experience and expertise in the aviation world. However, I thought that it was unnecessary for you to go picking on my shortening of the term. It is common knowledge that the B744 is the Boeing 747-400. I was posting a screenshot, not teaching a class. People use short forms all the time... I did not use it to "save energy". If I wanted to, I'd b typin like dis. Like I said before, even the FAA refers to it as a B744, so they're jumping off the cliff?

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I just checked out the Boeing site to see what the heck a 744 was and guess what ? ..........no such plane..... Are you re-naming a 747-400 a 744 ?

For you to start off so sarcastically wasn't necessary.

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Reply #16 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 12:50am

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Anyway... thanks to all who responded to my post. Grin

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Reply #17 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 12:50am

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Auto dialer? What? Full naming has a value ... more credit than given? Give me a break, Rifleman. Seriously though, - get your facts straight before you post something like that again....
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Reply #18 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 2:29am

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Seriously though, - get your facts straight before you post something like that again....
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Philliptan, I am sorry that you thought I was being sarcastic in my original question. I see things on here all the time which defy my logical brain to comprehend....since I am not up on every type and model that is available to the aviation world, I ask when I see something that appears foreign to me .....maybe one more smilie would have helped you see I was looking for info with my question, and not trying to ridicule........shortcuts are fine for those who wish to use them but for me, I try to keep the standard that I feel is on the front line....As a note on this, my good friend Chris who now flies for a major US airline (Delta) came from the USAF and flew some high level stuff. I have never heard him once utter "Bone", when referring to his B-1B which he used to ride in the left seat of for eight years...... go figure.....

So tell me Guest Mark, what fact isn't correct in what I first stated ?.........the official name of the A/C in question is the Boeing 747-400........from the horses mouth.......you can check it here to verify it for youself and then come back and tell me what fact wasn't straight in my findings......http://www.boeing.com/commercial/flash.html

Since I have said all that I feel is necessary on this subject, I will allow you to have final say and tell the world whatever you have a need for, and I will sit by and watch this pass. For me, its water under the bridge now
Lets get back to having fun........

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Reply #19 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 12:23pm

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Ok... I think we're both entitled to our opinions and that shouldn't be a barrier between us. I think you'll be glad to note that I do love using the full name/designation when I feel it's necessary

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Lets get back to having fun........

Well, that's what I'm here for... Wink

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Reply #20 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 1:16pm

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Philliptan, how's it going?
Once you get to know Ken, you get a certain respect for him. When I first became a member, we almost had words because of a picture I edited. After that I realized to take "smilies and saddies" with a grain of salt. He has definatley earned the respect from many here as I guess you will see eventually since you are new to the forums. You will definatley know where you stand with Rifleman.
As ken said, Quote:

maybe one more smilie would have helped you see I was looking for info with my question

So I would relax alittle. I would hate to see if somebody gave you some constructive critisizm like, "I didn't know tires from a 747-400 left jetwash" ??? ???

You see what I mean, we all take it with a grain of salt.

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Posted by: Rifleman Posted on: Jun 2nd, 2003, 4:11pm
I just checked out the Boeing site to see what the heck a 744 was and guess what ? ..........no such plane..... Are you re-naming a 747-400 a 744 ?

After re-reading the above quote from Rifleman, it looks like you might have taken it the wrong way. It was a simple sentence questioning an aircraft, that's it. Half the time a response might have been, "oops, sorry, a typ-o error, Thanks Rifleman".
So to end this I would leave you with some advice, "Welcome to simV, it is always nice to see somebody new posting alot of shots, Raw and Edited, but before you start getting "involved" with people here, (especially some one like Ken who basically "manages" the graphic forums), start off on a good foot. A good First Impression will go far here!

As for the so called "guest",
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Posted by: Mark M. Posted on: Jun 2nd, 2003, 5:49pm
Uhm, do you know anything about commercial aviation? Maybe you should do a little more research before you openly insert your foot in your mouth again...

You most likley do not even belong on the same thread as us.

like I said Philliptan, Welcome to SimV,
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Reply #21 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 1:27pm

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Hi Dave... thanks for the welcome!

Of course I would like to start off on a good foot here as at anywhere... I was just posting my screenshots and minding my own business. I'm sure Ken, with his many years in aviation, knows immediately from the screenshot that it was a 747-400. And that he need not have checked the Boeing site to see "what the heck a B744 was". So, I felt that his reply was sarcastic in nature.

Maybe like what you said, I need to take it easy with Ken, and I definitely will. Though I must say that it wasn't a typo and people do refer to it as a B744. Well, Ken and I have one thing in common and that is, a love for aviation. So hopefully, we'll build on that.

So, like Ken, for me this is over and I hope to enjoy it here! Wink

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Reply #22 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 1:32pm

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Glad to hear it Philliptan. That's what makes these forums so different from others..... we all respect each other not like some other forums that maybe Mark M belongs to! Keep the pics comming!! 8)

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Reply #23 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 3:16pm

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So now if you really want to know if you have been officially welcomed into here, this is what happens to most when they post in here, at some time or other......I take a run at editing the edit which has been posted.....I show before and after .....subtle, but lots done ! Grin

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Reply #24 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 4:06pm

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Hey Ken,

Ok... you've tweaked the contrast, sharpened the picture and added a border.... nice.... but I like mine better! Tongue

BTW, call me Phillip. Wink

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Reply #25 - Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 4:46pm

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Hey Ken,

Ok... you've tweaked the contrast, sharpened the picture and added a border.... nice.... but I like mine better! Tongue

BTW, call me Phillip. Wink

Well well,... you got almost all of it correct.........I did also however, call in the greenskeepers to fertilize and green up the grass a bit, hired a paving crew to repair the burns on your runway due to your early take-off rotation, resurfaced the entire length to improve the surface after fading from UV damage by sunlight, brought in a painting crew to re-new the faded colour on the engine nacelles, painters also brought out the vibrance of the back end, painters also relined the runway since they were in the area anyway, hired a crew of aerodynamicists to come and clean up the airframe to reduce drag, called in Greenpeace to come and clean up the local waters...........the border was only inserted to close up the difference between your posted image at 75 dpi (100237 bytes) and my web optimized 72 dpi image (99447 bytes). Notice your file size is larger than mine, even when compared to my double size image...........hmmmmmmmmm 8) ......other than that, you got it all right ! Grin

As you can see........I enjoy playing........ Wink

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Reply #26 - Jun 4^th, 2003 at 12:32am

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I did also however, call in the greenskeepers to fertilize and green up the grass a bit, hired a paving crew to repair the burns on your runway due to your early take-off rotation, resurfaced the entire length to improve the surface after fading from UV damage by sunlight, brought in a painting crew to re-new the faded colour on the engine nacelles, painters also brought out the vibrance of the back end, painters also relined the runway since they were in the area anyway, hired a crew of aerodynamicists to come and clean up the airframe to reduce drag, called in Greenpeace to come and clean up the local waters...........

Hope that didn't burn too big a hole in your pocket! Grin

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Reply #27 - Jun 4^th, 2003 at 1:53am

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Hope that didn't burn too big a hole in your pocket! Grin

Not likely,..........I forwarded the bill to Atlantic Sun Airways......... Wink

after all, this isn't Air Canada, is it ? ???

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