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May 10th, 2003 at 3:40am

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I know this question has come up a few times before, but I've done a search and haven't been able to find reference to it in any recent posts.

How many aircraft can you have in CFS2 folder before it plays up.

I assume that's what it's doing to me. I have (without noticing) managed to amass 120 planes in the folder (including stock). All of a sudden certain planes are not showing up in the Sim. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to which planes are affected.
I then realised I had definitely gone over the limit. I know it's around 90. What is it exactly.

P.S. For good reason, I don't want an extra version of the Sim on my drive.  Grin Grin Wink

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Reply #1 - May 10th, 2003 at 3:54am

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I know this question has come up a few times before, but I've done a search and haven't been able to find reference to it in any recent posts.

How many aircraft can you have in CFS2 folder before it plays up.

I assume that's what it's doing to me. I have (without noticing) managed to amass 120 planes in the folder (including stock). All of a sudden certain planes are not showing up in the Sim. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to which planes are affected.
I then realised I had definitely gone over the limit. I know it's around 90. What is it exactly.

P.S. For good reason, I don't want an extra version of the Sim on my drive.  Grin Grin Wink

Thanks  Grin


Do you actually "use" all 120 planes at any one time...?
Why not move many of the rarely used ones to a spare folder...?
Out of the 50-odd downloaded planes in my FS 2002, there are only a dozen of my favourites in my current hangar, therefore easy to find quickly, the rest are in my spare folder.
It must be a horrendous job scrolling through 120 planes to find the one you want... Cry...!

...just a thought... Wink...!

(This arrangement was discussed in a previous thread..)

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Reply #2 - May 10th, 2003 at 4:04am

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It's not too bad to find them, Foz.
I changed all the "titles" so they are in alphabetical order (as I do when I add any plane).

I will have to do as you say and put some in a "standby hanger". But I only want to do that to as few as possible.
As you probably know, in order to put a plane "back in the game" you have to close the Sim and then do the add-on in the program folder and then re-initialise the game again.
If your P.C. initialises as slowly as mine does, you don't want to have to drop out and go back in very much, if you can help it.  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #3 - May 10th, 2003 at 4:21am

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It's not too bad to find them, Foz.
I changed all the "titles" so they are in alphabetical order (as I do when I add any plane).

I will have to do as you say and put some in a "standby hanger". But I only want to do that to as few as possible.
As you probably know, in order to put a plane "back in the game" you have to close the Sim and then do the add-on in the program folder and then re-initialise the game again.
If your P.C. initialises as slowly as mine does, you don't want to have to drop out and go back in very much, if you can help it.  Grin Wink


Mornin' Bren.... Grin...!
It may be that CFS 2 is different to FS 2002, but I find that if I "window" FS 2002, minimise it, open up the FS 2002 folder, on the desktop, drag the new plane(s) in to my current hangar, maximise it, go back into full-screen mode, go for "aircraft" in the menu, it's generally there after a few scrollings up and down...LOL...!

Cheers sport... Grin...!
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P.S. ..FS 2002 is laid back, plenty of time to do this...
....CFS 2, when you want to swop to your best fighter quickly, then time is not on your side...LOL...LOL...LOL...!

 

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Reply #4 - May 10th, 2003 at 5:08am

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Just to clarify. CFS2 is the only M$ sim to have an actual limit to the number of aircraft installed at any one time. This is often referred to as the CFS2 "100 plane" limit although the number seems to vary & is usually lower. Anything over 90 is likely to cause unexplained problems & those error messages to appear.

The limit is due to the Mission Builder rather than the sim & people without the MB installed don't appear to have the problem. On discovering this bug in the very early days of CFS2 I alerted people to the problem in this very forum. Nobody replied or took any notice so I featured it & suggested the Hangar folder fix on my CFS2 FAQ page. http://www.simviation.com/lair/cfs2faq.htm

If you have room on your HD a duplicate install of CFS2 is the best way over it. IMHO
 

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Reply #5 - May 10th, 2003 at 6:28am

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Ah, the good old 100 plane limit. It comes into play when I have about 98 planes installed. Over two installs of CFS2 I have about 400 planes! Inside the main CFS2 folder I have a folder called Hanger. Both my installs have all the gauges and weapons etc. for all the planes I've ever installed so it is not much of a problem to just move planes from the hangers into either install.
One thing I have noticed is that when you click OK to the two error messages, click again on Fly Now and it loads and flys just fine in both Free Flight and Quick Combat.
 

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Reply #6 - May 10th, 2003 at 7:22am

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One thing I have noticed is that when you click OK to the two error messages, click again on Fly Now and it loads and flys just fine in both Free Flight and Quick Combat.

Hi Tempest. I've also noticed this. The aircraft will display & work normally although exceeding the limit can affect 3rd party weapons libraries when the weapons won't show up. If any weird problems or error messages suddenly crop up, removing a few 3rd party aircraft will usually fix it.
 

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Reply #7 - May 10th, 2003 at 11:01am

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Hi there Hagar, hope you enjoyed your recent flight! Smiley
It's funny how these things crop up, but I've just added a new 3rd party plane and spent an hour or so in free flight getting a screen shot or two. However, tried it in QC and it crashed to desktop. I played around with it for a bit and in the end just moved a couple of planes to the hanger and Hey Presto, QC works just fine! It just goes to show how strange CFS2 can be when you get close to that limit and how shifting a plane or two can sort it out!
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Reply #8 - May 10th, 2003 at 11:55am

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Hi there Hagar, hope you enjoyed your recent flight! Smiley

Yes thanks. The word "enjoyed" cannot possibly describe what was, for me anyway, a unique & unforgettable experience. It made me feel like a 16 year-old again. Grin  Cheesy

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It's funny how these things crop up, but I've just added a new 3rd party plane and spent an hour or so in free flight getting a screen shot or two. However, tried it in QC and it crashed to desktop. I played around with it for a bit and in the end just moved a couple of planes to the hanger and Hey Presto, QC works just fine! It just goes to show how strang CFS2 can be when you get close to that limit and how shifting a plane or two can sort it out!

Now that's quite a coincidence & a good example of what we're discussing. LOL
Another thing worth mentioning. Installing a complex 3rd party campaign package can easily take you over the limit, causing all sorts of problems. Any included aircraft will count towards it, even if they're unflyable AI Only drones which don't show up on the menu. The best idea is to keep a duplicate install of CFS2 specifically for this sort of stuff. IMHO
 

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Reply #9 - May 11th, 2003 at 2:54pm

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Thanks for the insight people.

I've moved some planes to an "Internal hanger" and the "2 messages" problem has stopped. Although it was omly the A6M2_ZERO that kept coming up on mine. That was the only plane that "disappeared" from the list.

I would seem to have another problem which I thought was connected to the "limit" issue, but it seems there's more to it.

There are still about 6 planes that will not show up, but seeing as they are recent installs, I'm sure they never did show up. They are all GC planes (if that means anything) that is, they all have a GC prefix before the aircraft model name.
I've tried everything, even removing the panels and sound folders (if they had their own) and replacing them with simple alias folders. This hasn't even worked.

Any suggestions?  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #10 - May 11th, 2003 at 3:14pm

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The GC prefix usually means that these are planes by Ground Crew designs. These are usuall very good planes and I've got several and have never had a problem with them. However, Hagar is the man to ask about this one!
 

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Reply #11 - May 11th, 2003 at 3:17pm

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Hi Brensec.
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I've moved some planes to an "Internal hanger" and the "2 messages" problem has stopped. Although it was omly the A6M2_ZERO that kept coming up on mine. That was the only plane that "disappeared" from the list.

The A6M2_ZERO is a default aircraft so make sure this is installed & available on the Free Flight menu. If not, this could explain your problem with the GC (Groundcrew) aircraft as the sound could be aliased to it. The GC guys know their stuff & you should have no problems with it.
 

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Reply #12 - May 23rd, 2003 at 7:34pm

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for this probleme I use the ACman hangar in  cfs2 with it you can install or remove as yo want your aircraft folder I think you can find it in this site utilitary section
After that I've for the moment three intallation cfs2
one for the mission builder
one for the asia theatre and one for the european theatre
i'll install a next for the east front with snow scenery
with that you can have the good planes on the right theatre

it's a solution
 
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Reply #13 - May 28th, 2003 at 7:13am

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Foz,

are all of your planes CFS/CFS 2?

In my experience, Civilian airplanes have a limit of 50 so if if you have them, they could be the problem
 

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Reply #14 - May 28th, 2003 at 7:51am

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Foz,

are all of your planes CFS/CFS 2?

In my experience, Civilian airplanes have a limit of 50 so if if you have them, they could be the problem

Alz. Fozzer doesn't use CFS at all.  Wink

I don't understand your theory. As I pointed out earlier in this thread, CFS2 is the only M$ sim with a limit to number of aircraft installed. This is a limitation of the onboard Mission Bulder rather than the sim. The actual limit seems to vary according to a particular installation. I'm not sure whether this number is related to MDL files, AIR files or Aircraft.cfg entries. It cannot distinguish between military & civil aircraft.
 

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Reply #15 - May 28th, 2003 at 2:26pm

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brensec,
I've noticed that if you have too many Megs in your game that will do it to. also don't remove any stock planes from the game or it won't load either. I did this by accident and had to reload the core files that allow for 3rd party Planes in your Reinstall list.
 
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Reply #16 - May 28th, 2003 at 7:02pm

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Hi 8)
I come back with the ACman Hangar cause with this
utilitary You can remove your aircraft folder as you want
between your for exemple  cfs2asie to the mission builder or contrary.To use the MB you must keep the limit to 90/100 Aircraft folder.,but sometimes you have some folder with 2,3 ...5 textures .If you have 7 or 9
P40 with 9 different texture it's also possible to make ONE aircraft folder with NINE texture Wink (you have some tutorials about that).it's more esy that you can think.
I think the best solution if you have space in your HD is the multi installation You rename all your roots shurtcut in the cfs2 folder
ex: cfs2asia, cfs2euroW,cfs2euroE etc.... Roll Eyes
and you paste theses shortcuts to your desktop or you game folder.
you can have any theatre with their specifics missions sceneries and aircrafts
and at least you keep cfs2 name folder for the MB game. Grin
Don't move the stocks planes

   
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Reply #17 - May 29th, 2003 at 12:39am

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Thanks for all the suggestions people.

Although, the same advice does seem to be getting repeated over again. (Not that I don't appreciate input - Thank You).

To save everyone the trouble of going over the same obvious stuff over and over:
I have all the 'stock' aircraft installed. I have less than 60 planes in the Aircraft folder now (counting those with extra textures or more than one model etc).
I am aware of the possiblility of having another install of cfs2 to carry the rest of my planes but I prefer to keep them in a 'hanger'.

The problem concerning the 'two error messages' has been solved by removing some of the aircraft to a 'hanger' but I still have a problem with Free Flight and QC not initialising and the GC planes not working.
Hagar suggested a complete uninstall/install will fix both of these problems but I haven't got around to it yet (because I hate doing it - I have to remove and save all my add-ons first so that parts of them won't be overwritten) anyway........ Grin Wink

 

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