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Military Aeorbatic Display Teams, Who is the BEST? (Read 4362 times)
Reply #30 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 5:57pm

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The BLue Angles are too aggressive and gung ho?  The first time I saw them I nearly fell asleep it was so boring.  Once I saw a non-Blue Angel U.S. Navy pilot doing some aerobatics.  On takeoff he tried to turn to soon and his wingtip would have struck the runway had he not checked himself.  He flew again the next day and I noticed he waited a few more seconds before turning.

The Snowbirds were better/more exciting then the Blue Angeles, but still not terrible impressive.  I do have a semi-funny story about these guys, though.  They were using a room in my flight school for their briefings.  I was in a room down the hall practicing instrument approaches on some modified PC simulators.  I forget what the simulator was called, but they had these big boxes with basically a fake cockpit on the user end, and there was a yoke coming out of it and buttons for example where the heading bug knob (OBS, or whatever you call it, I forget) were to move the heading bug around, etc.  Anyway, it was all pretty cheesy, in my opinion.  Well, this Snowbird pilot comes walking along and sticks his head in.  "MY GOD" he says out loud with a tone of incredible awe, like he just saw a F-16 take off going backwards.  He stood there in the doorway for about fifteen seconds, slack-jawed in awe of all our cheezy simulators, then walked out.  I thought it was funny as hell, because someone who probably has access to state-of-the-art military sim technology was blown away by our cheezy yoke-sticking-out-of-a-box sims--even our old, stained, clunky Frasca 141 sims where about 10 times better than these cheezy things.  Maybe Canadian pilots are that strapped for cash then don't even have PC-type simulators.

The Snowbirds weren't the only military pilots who used our flightschool for various purposes when they were in town.  It was always neat to be getting weathing info in our flight planning room right next to U.S. Air Force pilots, who usually came in for airshows.  I always thought "don't these guys have some secret sattalite uplink programmed right into their cockpits".  But our flight palling room was pretty good.

Anyway, the first time I saw the Thunserbirds, I was as slackjawed as that Snowbird pilot at the sight of our cheezy sims.  They are the best I've seen, and an order of magnitude better than the Snowbirds or Blue Angeles.  Real balls-to-the-wall stuff with the Thunderbirds.

I'm not a big fan of aerobatic flight and don't catch them very often anymore, but the best (military and civillian) I've seen is Patty Wagstaff in her Extra.  Imagine if you could clone her and have some all-Patty Wagstaff formatin flying.  That would be incredible.

And that just reminded me--this is just dumb gossip--but I had a friend who years ago was at one of those camps where rich parents send kinds who are hooked on drugs and basically total screwups, and he said Patty Wagstaff's kid was there too.
 
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Reply #31 - Apr 26th, 2003 at 10:35am

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There's an interesting site titled "Aerobatic Teams of the Small World";......I really wasn't aware there was such a variety of aerobatic teams from so many countries, big and small!

Teams like the Blue Eagles, Grey Owls, Sparrow Hawks, Bats, Bumblebees, Green Falcons, Red Falcons ................I assume all of them are using planes.......??? Wink
 
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Reply #32 - Apr 26th, 2003 at 10:42am

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hey redwing.
the blue eagles are hardly a small team, they are prob the best helecoptor display team in the world, and with the recent addition of the apache they can only get better, but as said they are helecoptor display, they are the army air corp team in the uk, if you do a search there is a website you should check its a good site
 
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Reply #33 - Apr 26th, 2003 at 12:22pm

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I'm still intrigued with the "Leopards" of the Boputhatswana Air Force!

When I first read about them, I envisioned a formation of Cessna 150 Aerobats with leopard-skin paint jobs......(now that I would like to see!) If I ever see a team of those at a display, they'd get my vote right off! Grin

Kidding aside, I'm sure they're very good. Did a brief search about them; the only reference I found was that they flew the "Pilatus Astra PC 7" (Swiss).....it's a piston-engine, single......resembles a Mooney. There's a South African team that has them too.
 
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Reply #34 - Apr 26th, 2003 at 3:04pm

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Posted by: y2cragie version1 Posted on: Apr 24th, 2003, 1:29pm
gotta be the red arrows they seem to do things with those hawks that i dont think plane really should do and the precision they show and training they go through is just unbelievable

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hey redwing.
the blue eagles are hardly a small team, they are prob the best helecoptor display team in the world,


Right y2cragie, I understand! Let's see......the Red Arrows are the best military aerobatic team (jets), and the Blue Eagles are the best helicopter display team! OK, got it! (Hmmm, might you reside in the UK perchance?) Grin Roll Eyes

Well, that's OK.....you're probably not any more biased toward your own country than I am mine. Of course, whatever criteria one uses to judge or rate these teams is entirely subjective......sort of like those Olympic events (gymnastics, freestyle skiing, ice-skating); the highest scores always come from the home judge!

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Hmm, well as a Brit and RAF refugee my vote goes to the Arrows. I think this will really split down to national/service prejudices. Should be fun to watch 

Ozzy


Yep, looks like Ozzy called this one!
 
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Reply #35 - Apr 26th, 2003 at 3:12pm

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Grin i might just be:)
actually the blue eagles hold an even closer spot to me to, they are based in my home town and my dad was a cheif mechanic on the aircraft for a few years before he moved on to teaching others how to fix them
biased maybe Wink
do i care? not really:)
 
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Reply #36 - Apr 27th, 2003 at 11:37am

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Hi all, if you go to the Red Arrows site
( www.raf.mod.uk/reds/redhome.html ) There is alot to learn from the site! Grin
 

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Reply #37 - Apr 27th, 2003 at 3:46pm

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the 1994 (at least I think it was 1994) captain of the red arrows used to go to my school and I got to meet him. He told me that they spend the whole winter off in sunny ole Cypress and spend half the time flying and the other half dossing around. Lucky bastards
 
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Reply #38 - Apr 27th, 2003 at 8:37pm

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hmmmmmm, flying in cyprus, dozzing around while not flying, avoiding the brittish winter........... I want his job!
 

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Reply #39 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 3:19am

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30 feet? Bah! The Blue Angels can do better than that. What really intrests me is everybody elses opinion. Now. . . For my opinion : You can think what you want, no matter how wrong or misguided you may be.

(I have a feeling that this will soon be turned around - against me. . . )

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Reply #40 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 3:45am

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I'm hoping to go to a couple airshows this year. I might even get to go to the Reno air races!
 
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Reply #41 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 5:25am

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I have voted for the Red Arrows purely on national pride grounds.  I would be interested to know how many members have seen display teams from other countries actually perform.  I have only ever seen the arrows and I have alwas been impressed.

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Reply #42 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 8:39am

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I have voted for the Red Arrows purely on national pride grounds.  I would be interested to know how many members have seen display teams from other countries actually perform.

I was wondering that too.  Roll Eyes
As Ozzy & Redwing pointed out, this comes down to understandable national pride + what you've seen to compare it with. In over 50 years of visiting air displays on a regular basis I've seen all the great display teams at one time or another except the Snowbirds & maybe the Blue Angels. I really can't remember & I'm not sure they ever visit the UK or Europe. I'm sure they're all excellent in their own way & it's difficult to be completely unbiased. It also depends on what you like to see in a display. My main criterion is a smoothly flowing, original schedule with the team in sight of the crowd at all times. This is impossible with some types of aircraft which restricts the display to separate passes in different formations with spaces in between while the formation regroups. I find this boring & soon lose interest. This is my opportunity to head for the beer tent.  Wink

The teams that have most impressed me in all this time have been the Red Arrows, Frecce Tricolori & Black Arrows in that order.
 

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Reply #43 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 11:23am

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Well, I have seen the Blue Angels, but I bet it's been atleast 10 years Cry
 
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Reply #44 - May 3rd, 2003 at 6:35am

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I agree that alot of voting will be on national grounds, but i have to agree that the Blue Angels are to Gung Ho.  The Red Arrows get a certain balance just right.
 

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