Simviation Forum - victory rolls

Apr 9^th, 2003 at 7:13pm

phil509 Offline
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HI! HEY fighter drivers,Ive been doing victory rolls over an "un-named"airport at mach 1.7 ,500FT off the deck,pulling 8g in the turns for the go-arounds in my F14-D,full AB.Is this possible in the real world,or would my head have exploded? Shocked

To bad I cant make a living out of this,but it would probably kill me.

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Reply #1 - Apr 9^th, 2003 at 7:59pm

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It'd be possible if your plane held together and you only pulled 8Gs for a very short time. Please post the airport you didn't name.

I wanna stay far away from it. Grin

In Memory of John Consterdine (FS Tipster)1962-2003

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Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 5:01am

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I would post the name,so the airspace is open,but Ozzy told me Im not allowed to mention Baghdad Intl. Lips Sealed

To bad I cant make a living out of this,but it would probably kill me.

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Reply #3 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 7:30am

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There is nowt wrong with mentioning the name, its just a political row was breaking out, and its my job to stop that happening. However sometimes you've just got to buzz the tower Goose!

Ozzy Grin

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Reply #4 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 10:12am

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According to the Ozzy Rule Book (available at all good book shops, £3.99) Page 28, paragraph 4, section 6, subsection 42, line 7

"If you don't hit the ground with one, or both, wings during a victory roll you are not low enough"

Furthermore:

"All manoevers must be carried out at maximum G's (positive or negative, your choice) at the highest mach sustainable"(page 165, paragraph 8a, section 21, subsection e, line 30)

Will Wink

Who switched the lights off? I can't see a thing....... Hold on, my eyes were closed. Oops, my bad...............&&

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Reply #5 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 10:15am

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Ozzy's the Aerobatics veteran, but I would think doing victory rolls at M1.7 would make the rotation pretty fast. The plane might survive, but you'd definetly experience G-LOC.

Might be a good idea to get some add on scenery with fire trucks and ambulances.....

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Reply #6 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 10:26am

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Mach 1.7 LL in a Tomcat - naa, get a Tornado F3, much quicker on the deck(no, really, it is...) Wink

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Reply #7 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 10:39am

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I managed to get hold of a very early first edition from 1951. I found the following in appendix C, carrier based aircraft.

"One or both wings must be folded when performing aerobatic manoevers in carrier based aircraft."

"All landings shall be performed deadstick, blindfolded and with one arm fastened behind back"

"Landing gear and arrestor hooks are for wimps"

Will Grin

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Reply #8 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 1:03pm

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All my landings are dead stick, due to a dead brain behind them! Grin

Oh and the new edition Will clearly states that it is 'clip the ground, not end up cartwheeling with bits flying off unless you have an audience of really nice young ladies you are trying to impress'. Walking away from one of those always impresses Wink

Mark

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Reply #9 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 1:14pm

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Anybody walking away from one of my flights would impress me.

Will Grin

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Reply #10 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 4:59pm

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Right Then,I guess its off I go! Thanks for all the handy tips&official rules you guys!Yours are obviosly the voices of experience!Personaly though,I prefer to put the gear V high,have it tear off and cause the aircraft to to tumble end over end and come to a stop inverted with no hope of ejection-the babes love that move!! Another favorite of mine is to forget the undercarrige all together in a fast,steep final,resulting in "runway rash"and munching the wind sock or VOR beacon usualy found at end of said runway.Tonight Im taking the F-15E Strike Eagle for a whirl.I want to go for mach 2 ,see if it indeed has 1to1 thrust to weight,and determine how many g`s shell handle without wing loss. Id like to stay and chat,but gotta start perflight! Grin

8) P.S. Ive been meaning to pick up a good hot Brittish fighter-you recomend a tornado?

To bad I cant make a living out of this,but it would probably kill me.

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Reply #11 - Apr 11^th, 2003 at 7:01am

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For a Tornado, try DSB design - at the moment I think only the Beta models are available, but they're worth a look.

www.dsbdesign.cjb.net

Also, why not try the new Eurofighter from DSB which is released on monday. The Beta model of this was V.fast a Low Level... V.good aeroplane

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Reply #12 - Apr 11^th, 2003 at 5:42pm

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OK ,THANKS!,Ill give`em a look see! I had a close call last night.I went to load up my F-15E for another round of tower buzzing,but my machine took it like cyanide!-complete crash! I have over 300 aircraft and nearly 2yrs work building this program that almost flew to the wind!I can only thank the god of cyberspace for "system restore" It was like recovering from a flat spin after flameout -WHEEEW!!! Well,any landing you walk away from------ Shocked

To bad I cant make a living out of this,but it would probably kill me.

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Reply #13 - Apr 11^th, 2003 at 8:38pm

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HI again,looks like I made it through my meltdown.Ive gone strategic tonight-B52.RAF Lakenheath to Tikrit south-sure would like a decent panel to work with Roll Eyes

( Its OK Tipster,Ill just get by with this crappy default panel) Ill probably crash & burn. Embarrassed