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Problem: aircraft sinks into the runway... (Read 1172 times)

Mar 13^th, 2003 at 10:49am

Mr. Bones Offline
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hi,

i'm facing a big problem with my FS2002.
when i want to start a flight on the runway, my plane sinks into the runway and finally crashes. it doesn't happen all the time, let's say 70% of the time.
sometimes when it doesn't do that, it wont start rolling on full throttle...

i already reinstalled FS and used several planes, but the problem remains.

does anyone knows what the prob can be? maybe a corrupt plane, wrong addon, don't know

thanx

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Reply #1 - Mar 13^th, 2003 at 10:55am

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What plane is doing this? Is it one of the Fs2002 models, or is it an add-on that was downloaded? With this information it would be possible to help you.

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Reply #2 - Mar 13^th, 2003 at 12:10pm

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most of the time, they are add ons, not a specific one, they all do it...

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Reply #3 - Mar 13^th, 2003 at 12:39pm

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Try this as an experiment. Open Fs2002 and go to your settings, scenery section realism and check the box to ignore crashes. This is a general setting for the program, especially since you are having trouble with more than one plane. If it were one or two planes, then you could modify the aircraft.cfg file in the contact points section.
Let me know how you made out. If these suggestions don't work we will try something else.

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Reply #4 - Mar 13^th, 2003 at 2:03pm

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i tried the crash settings: still the same problems Sad

Sad

about that contact points: can u tell me how to change them, i never tweaked the aircraft.cfg file before, except for adding repaints.

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Reply #5 - Mar 13^th, 2003 at 2:34pm

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The first thing you should do is go to the Microsoft Fs2002 SDK website: Click the below link:
http://zone.msn.com/flightsim/FS02DevDeskSDK00.asp
And download the aircraft container SDK. This has a detailed explanation on contact points and how they work,this will also give you some insight. You can go to the planes's folder(In question) and look for the aircraft.cfg file. You can open this with a file editor, such as notepad and scroll down to the contact points section and edit the lines accordingly. You may want to experiment a little to see how they work
I have seen quite a few posts on this forum addressing this issue, which might also help you.
Hopefully, this helps a little, post again if you have any more questions.

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Reply #6 - Mar 14^th, 2003 at 4:01am

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Just a thought before you get too carried away!
I'm on my 3rd RTW and occassionally come across
fields where if you land on the centre line you lose the
RH gear into the runway and slew off into the weeds
I've done the approach again landing as close to the
left runway edge as possible=nice landing!
Last one was in UK Wales EGFE I think 3/29approach.
Norfolk Island east of Australia has the runway in the
middle of a lake,run off=splash. I put down to MS
programming cos I KNOW there was nothing wrong
with MY landing. I got peed off and went looking for the
problem.

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Reply #7 - Mar 16^th, 2003 at 5:04am

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A couple of thoughts come to mind:

1.Your default startup flight (which other options are based around) is a saved flight that has "gone wrong". Maybe it is based on a plane that did a wheels-up landing (they often sink into the runway) or maybe you have badly designed add-on scenery.

2.

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Reply #8 - Mar 16^th, 2003 at 5:06am

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Oops, must remember not to use the Tab key. As I was saying when I interrupted myself . . .

2. Some third-party aircraft will tip up when you move them around with "Yaw", try selecting a different aircraft, then going back to the original one.

J

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Reply #9 - Mar 16^th, 2003 at 3:21pm

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thanx for the tips John, but i'm afraid they don't help. i now removed everything from my pc (back uped good files i wanted to keep of course) and i'm gonna install it again...

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Reply #10 - Mar 16^th, 2003 at 4:02pm

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I am not sure which John You are referring to but would it be possible for you to post the link for one of your "sinking" planes. Maybe that way I can see what it wrong.

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Reply #11 - Mar 16^th, 2003 at 9:39pm

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I recently had this problem. I downloaded the newest Airbus panel from avsim, and everytime I loaded a new flight, the plane would just sink into the ground and eventually crash. Replacing the panel with another cured it.

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Reply #12 - Mar 17^th, 2003 at 9:59am

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Quote:

I am not sure which John You are referring to but would it be possible for you to post the link for one of your "sinking" planes. Maybe that way I can see what it wrong.

like i said before, it happens with several planes, not just one. i now removed everything from my HD and gonna reinstall FS. if the problems are still there, i'll post a picture so u can see what's going on...

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Reply #13 - Mar 17^th, 2003 at 12:42pm

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Angry

I get that happening to me all the time with the B-1b Lancer from I3d. That is why I no longer fly that baby until the updated version comes out.

Another thing is with addon planes they don't seem to recognize certain terrains in FS2k2. Like for instance if you take off from a mountain and fly over an open terrain when you fly back to the landing strip to land, the plane will sometimes fly straight through the mountain like the runway and mountain isn't there! Shocked

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Reply #14 - Mar 19^th, 2003 at 1:33am

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Go to Simviation Home PAGE. Click on Links on left side. When page opens look for [Grumpys, The Lair] He has a write up on this and the settings to fix this problem.

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Reply #15 - Mar 19^th, 2003 at 8:12am

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Quote:

Go to Simviation Home PAGE. Click on Links on left side. When page opens look for [Grumpys, The Lair] He has a write up on this and the settings to fix this problem.

thanx alot, i'm going to try that!

and yes, my problem is also caused by the new bone i think

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Reply #16 - Mar 19^th, 2003 at 8:15am

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hmmm

Roll Eyes

, i just checked that link, but that fix is only for when the nose gear sinks. with me, the whole plane sinks... and that stinks! Angry

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Reply #17 - Mar 19^th, 2003 at 9:00am

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What airport,which runway? Let's all fly it! Grin

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Reply #18 - Mar 19^th, 2003 at 9:20am

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I think it would be a good idea for others to try duplicating the problem using the same aircraft & runway. This problem is more common with FS2000 aircraft imported into FS2002. I have never experienced it with an aircraft specifically intended for FS2002. This will obviously depend on which types of aircraft you use, the airports you fly from & most important, the quality of the landing itself.

I don't have as much experience with heavies as some of you guys. I do know that if you use full realism settings the gear will fail if the aircraft is overweight. It doesn't break visually but the plane will appear to sink into the runway. This can also happen if you try to turn too sharply at speed after landing.

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Reply #19 - Mar 19^th, 2003 at 9:44am

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Appreciate what your saying and if its a/c problem
fine. I'm flying Steven Grants Twin Otter.

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Reply #20 - Mar 19^th, 2003 at 1:53pm

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Hagar, what you say is true, but if you read the beginning of this topic, you'll see that the problems occur when starting a flight on the runway, not during the landing. this problem happens at all airports!

what's so strange: i've been flying FS for more than a year now with many many different add on aircraft without any problems.
but the problems started after installing the new B-1 you all know. in the beginning this plane flew well, but after a few days, the problem was there and it won't disappear Sad

Sad

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Reply #21 - Mar 19^th, 2003 at 2:09pm

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Quote:

Hagar, what you say is true, but if you read the beginning of this topic, you'll see that the problems occur when starting a flight on the runway, not during the landing. this problem happens at all airports!

what's so strange: i've been flying FS for more than a year now with many many different add on aircraft without any problems.
but the problems started after installing the new B-1 you all know. in the beginning this plane flew well, but after a few days, the problem was there and it won't disappear Sad

Sad

The B-1 uses an auto-installer and I'm starting to wonder if something has gone wrong when it's installed the B-1.

Try this:

Take the default c-182. Open at Meigs and slew to 5,000 feet. When you exit slew, the aircraft (by default) will be at Max throttle. If you suddenly find yourself doing Mach 1.0+ the properties from the B1 have found their way into your other aircraft.cfg files.

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