Simviation Forum - Guess what just turned up at FSPLANET

Reply #60 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 1:36pm

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LOL the general IQ of their forum is about 9 Grin

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THis may be a dumb question but: How do you make a helicopter hover?

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How do I make all of my airport very busy with lots of AI aircrafts?

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how do i stop the plane once ive landed?? Roll Eyes

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how do i do ILS approach.

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Reply #61 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 1:59pm

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It is not so much an issue of distributing payware as freeware but an issue of distrubuting a file that has been solely uploaded to a specific site and expressly deamed as non distributable to other sites without writen permission. That is what FSPlanet has done. And btw, FSPLanet could be considered as making money on this file since there are paid memberships. People wouldn't pay to be a member of that site unless there were files such as this panel available there. This is also Expressly prohibited in the licensing agreement. It is 'Tipster's right to have his file distributed to only the people or organizations that he wishes and to prohibit distribution by any organization or person he chooses, no questions asked.

John, good luck on your pursuit of justice. I am behind you all of the way. I have been flying your panel as well. It is sooo convenient to all of the necessary guages and panels at ready access. I still love tose radios you used. They making tuning so much esier. Well, thats my $.02 on this matter. P.S. Do you have anything like a States Attourny in England like we do here in the US? I would also give them a hollar if you do.

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Reply #62 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 2:05pm

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what freeware mean to you and for the Law??

We maintain this free software definition to show clearly what must be true about a particular software program for it to be considered free software.

``Free software'' is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of ``free'' as in ``free speech,'' not as in ``free beer.''

Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:

The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
A program is free software if users have all of these freedoms. Thus, you should be free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to anyone anywhere. Being free to do these things means (among other things) that you do not have to ask or pay for permission.

You should also have the freedom to make modifications and use them privately in your own work or play, without even mentioning that they exist. If you do publish your changes, you should not be required to notify anyone in particular, or in any particular way.

The freedom to use a program means the freedom for any kind of person or organization to use it on any kind of computer system, for any kind of overall job, and without being required to communicate subsequently with the developer or any other specific entity.

The freedom to redistribute copies must include binary or executable forms of the program, as well as source code, for both modified and unmodified versions. (Distributing programs in runnable form is necessary for conveniently installable free operating systems.) It is ok if there is no way to produce a binary or executable form for a certain program (since some languages don't support that feature), but you must have the freedom to redistribute such forms should you find or develop a way to make them.

In order for the freedoms to make changes, and to publish improved versions, to be meaningful, you must have access to the source code of the program. Therefore, accessibility of source code is a necessary condition for free software.

In order for these freedoms to be real, they must be irrevocable as long as you do nothing wrong; if the developer of the software has the power to revoke the license, without your doing anything to give cause, the software is not free.

However, certain kinds of rules about the manner of distributing free software are acceptable, when they don't conflict with the central freedoms. For example, copyleft (very simply stated) is the rule that when redistributing the program, you cannot add restrictions to deny other people the central freedoms. This rule does not conflict with the central freedoms; rather it protects them.

Thus, you may have paid money to get copies of free software, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.

``Free software'' does not mean ``non-commercial''. A free program must be available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial distribution. Commercial development of free software is no longer unusual; such free commercial software is very important.

Rules about how to package a modified version are acceptable, if they don't effectively block your freedom to release modified versions. Rules that ``if you make the program available in this way, you must make it available in that way also'' can be acceptable too, on the same condition. (Note that such a rule still leaves you the choice of whether to publish the program or not.) It is also acceptable for the license to require that, if you have distributed a modified version and a previous developer asks for a copy of it, you must send one.

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Reply #63 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 3:03pm

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Well he shouldn't of been stealing stuff from people, and then buying a new car (which is pictured on his site). I guess he will have to sell it, to bad Tongue

. Also there is a picture of his residence on his site. Anyone got any contacts with the RAF? Maybe send a flight of Tornados at low level to give him a heads up. Grin

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Reply #64 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 3:07pm

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I've seen that licence before.

Because the way I choose to distribute my files doesn't comply with it, I didn't include it.

That's my choice.

The definition of freeware is, like most things, open to interpretation. My own opinion is that distribution licences are a separate issue to cost. That is exactly why I don't use the licence you've quoted which I've seen a few times in other packages.

If that's how you want to define freeware and licence your files - GREAT! Good luck to you!

But I don't, and I refuse to be subject to this moral crusade about how "Free" freeware should be. I don't charge anyone for my files - that's free enough for me.

The fact remains, I included a licence, and it was ignored.

End of story.

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Reply #65 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 4:07pm

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tipster i will be keeping a check on this thread so if the time comes for me to support you (pettition) i will. I realize the time you have put into your work and the least that could be done is for your wishes to be respected.

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Reply #66 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 4:21pm

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tipster i will be keeping a check on this thread so if the time comes for me to support you (pettition) i will. I realize the time you have put into your work and the least that could be done is for your wishes to be respected.

Thanks for the support.

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Reply #67 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 6:53pm

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Balboray argument is correct when applied to copyleft material, but in this cast it does not have merit. John, your work is copyrighted material since you did not include the GNU General Public License, nor did you waive your copyright entitlements in the license.

Another argument to supports this is, in the United States (I assume the same can be said in Great Britain), works of literature, music, drama, art, and film are automatically given statutory copyright protection. Some will argue that your works were based on a compilation of pre-existing material. “Compilation that are selected, coordinated, or arranged in a way that the resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship,” are protected as well. You gain extra protection by formally registering it/them with the appropriate governing body of your jurisdiction.

That the good news. The bad news is the actually damage is small, and the statutory damage and criminal repercussion will vary in different jurisdiction. You already noticed by the reluctant of attorneys to take your cause. You will have to find a champion to take on your cause. Seek a company or person that will mutually benefit from the legal precedent you will make. Get them to back you financially. Attorneys respond better when you have a wad of money in your palm (some type of Pavlovian training in law school). Without legal bite they will not heed your bark.

I did a little research in international copyright laws pertaining to the Internet and the respected governing bodies. This will give you some ammo to convince people to your cause. If you want it I can email it to you. This post is getting kinda long.

Stick it to them,
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Reply #68 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 7:01pm

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Thanks for the information Crater - very interesting!

Please e-mail me what you have. I've no idea how far down the road this thing is going to go yet, but it will do no harm to be prepared.

As for your post getting a bit long, I really wouldn't worry. This thread is turning into the encyclopaedia Brittanica! Shocked

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Reply #69 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 7:19pm

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Before I get it wrong again, could someone do me a favour please?

I just went to FSPlanet and tried to download my Baron V2 panel file. It wouldn't let me, either in the usual browser save mode or using my download manager ("Pasword required" from the latter). The link's still there. I'm wondering if it's been pulled at the server rather than by him.

If someone else could try and let me know whether it's just my PC playing up or if the file isn't accessible any more?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Try a few of the others too. Very weird - when I did (using my d/load manager) - none of the others started at all - all "unknown". My file, however, did start processing, but stopped after the usual second screen where the download itself starts. ???

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Reply #70 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 7:33pm

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i think ya'll are being a lil too hard on him
i mean all he did was put your file on his site Roll Eyes

i do agree that he should be punished, but $25000?? Shocked

closing down his website??

cmon, be a lil more subtle man Wink

ps- please dont hate me for this, cuz im still on your side ok??

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Reply #71 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 7:40pm

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No problem

I think this has gone way beyond the issue of my personal file now. You should be aware that this practice of distributing files when not entitled to has been going on for years now.

I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at the percentage of files that he distributes that he's not entitled to. BIG is my best guess if I had to make one

At some point, someone is going to take him down for it. Whether it's me or someone else - he cannot last forever doing what he does.

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Reply #72 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 7:44pm

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Second reply I've received from Ferdy's advertisers (POUKsim advertising FSArchitect2002):

"I noticed your download at FSPlanet on page two of their download section. Yes I have paid for advertisement at that site to promote my product, as I believe it is the best scenery design tool for FS available. Being a non-freeware author, however I am very tuned to issues of copy protection, software licenses, and the general cooperation of the web sites that be to keep our downloads and technical information secure, and honor our freeware and copyright statements.

It appears that FSPlanet has not responded to your e-mail requesting they remove the software from their download site - if you could please verify that you are not getting cooperation from them, I might reconsider my support of their web site through advertisements.

I might also contact Ferdy Serena at FSPlanet on your behalf -- just let me know and I'll see if I have any influence there.

Good Luck with your endeavors,

The ball is rolling...

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Reply #73 - Mar 6^th, 2003 at 8:11pm