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Guess what just turned up at FSPLANET (Read 6383 times)
Reply #105 -
Mar 6
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, 2003 at 10:56pm
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Selby,
It's not a bad idea but if I seriously thought my file was up there through a genuine mistake, this thread wouldn't exist.
Tipster,
I didn't mean it like that. I just thought of that to avoid future conflicts with people like that guy Ferdy or whatever his name is also to avoid the headache this causes the designers.
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Reply #106 -
Mar 6
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, 2003 at 11:00pm
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It's anybody's guess whether or not he bothers reading the readmes and licence documents.
One thing is certain though - he has the opportunity and time to do it. Look at his screenshots. He's modified mine (and several others up there by the look of it) so he'd had to have unzipped it and spent time doing the revised shot.
Th B1B graphics are actually very good I have to have say, but the layout and animation is not the work of I3D - Ferdy or one of his associates has devoted a good deal of time to that. If he'd have spent 5 minutes of it e-mailing the authors, he'd possibly have been granted the licence to publish it legally too as you and other have stated.
Inexcusable to me I'm afraid.
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Reply #107 -
Mar 6
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Tipster,
I didn't mean it like that. I just thought of that to avoid future conflicts with people like that guy Ferdy or whatever his name is also to avoid the headache this causes the designers.
I think you may have misunderstood my meaning Selby.
I meant that if I thought Ferdy had a made a mistake - not you or I.
I suspect that even if the
screenshot
had have had "NOT TO BE PUBLISHED AT FSPLANET.COM" all over it, he'd have just replaced it with his own.
He's not one for takng any notice of such things unfortunately.
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Reply #108 -
Mar 6
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, 2003 at 11:05pm
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Wouldn't it be a good idea to write " YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO UPLOAD THIS SOFTWARE FILES... AT
WWW.FSPLANET.COM
*coughs PIRATE.* on the readme file from now on?
THis way they'd know better than that.
I actually do put that disclaimer in my readme files - if you look at the readme for my PC9, T-6II you'll see that.
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Reply #109 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 2:13am
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Guess what I just found. I found a RAF Hawk T1 by DSBDesign on fsplanet.com. I downloaded it and here's a quote from the disclaimer in the readme file:
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Do not make any kind of changes to the plane or the documentation without the written permission and acceptance of DSB Design. Also do not include this package on any commercial add-on CD without permission. Also you as the user, are not allowed to upload this aircraft to any websites and doing so will be constituted as an act of piracy and legal action may result.
It looks like it's been repainted by someone and was uploaded onto fsplanet
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Reply #110 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 6:10am
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Okay guys, I've made this a sticky, its getting serious. I really DON'T know all the legal stuff we can do against this twit (Pete might), but I do know this, if he'd just had the courtesy to ask there would have been no problem, and the fact that some members of planet have posted in this thread just shows what a loyal and decent bunch everyone here is.
Right On
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Reply #111 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 6:25am
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I just realized that he has done the same thing to me. I just checked my readme for the twp EB-52i's I made. It says
" Copyright:
Please do no redistribute to anywhere unless I give permission to do so. Please contact me if you have intentions to upload these files to any site that these files weren't originally uploaded to. I will give permission to do so in most cases with the following exceptions
1. Commercial sites
2. Freeware sites that require you to pay to become a member to download files.
In any case, I will say this again, DO NO REDISTRIBUTE UNLESS I GIVE PERMISSION TO DO SO
With any case of redistribution, none of the contents may be edited or deleted without my prior permission to do so. None of the files in this package may be used with any other package unless I give you permission to do so.
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Reply #112 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 8:21am
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...I've found my own files posted on many sites over the last 4 years (although not at FSPlanet). I have to say that I was genuinely flattered that anyone thought they were good enough to feature. Some webmasters asked permission before posting them while others did not. (If anyone had asked it would have been willingly granted.)
I agree. Anyway, as I understand it, legally the game's designer/distributor (in this case Microsoft) is the rightful owner of any files associated with their game. I never claim copyright over any add-ons I produce - it's pointless. Not only do I have no rightful claim to such copyright (as far as I'm aware), but the reason I make files is 1; so I can enjoy the game as I prefer it, and 2, to get good work distributed on the web to people who want it. Copyright doesn't help me achieve those goals, in fact claiming copyright only serves as a barrier to free distribution and a restriction on quality. Sure, if I wanted use of my files to die out I'd start to impose restrictions on their distribution, but why would I (or anyone else) want to do that?
As I always say, if anyone finds files I've created on the internet, they are welcome to alter them in any way they see fit. They can even remove my name from the files and distribute them as their own work if they want. I don't care about recognition. I only care that my best work is as freely distributed as possible. If everyone took that attitude there would be a lot more freedom to create better versions of 3rd party patches, and everyone would be better off for it. Placing restrictions on people's ability to modify game files (for what I can only assume to be reasons of pride) can only serve to stifle creativity in the community.
Freeware should be free. Copyright restricts freedom, so I'm against it. I urge all add-on creators NOT to restrict use of their files. The fact that we create something doesn't mean it can't be improved upon by others. If we allow others to freely use our work as a base, we will create a thriving community of add-on authors, and we'll get the best quality work as a result. If we don't make our work freely available, we create a community where progress is stifled. I would prefer not to be a part of a community in which my most mediocre efforts would be protected and their use enforced.
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Reply #113 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 8:44am
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Very nice said Barry!
Unfortunately many do not understand what the word freeware mean! Also is agree! most of the freeware addons are produced with Microsoft or somebodyelse works - - but what is funny is : many freeware authors do clain copyrights of somebodyelse work - Just because the repack the same thing over and over again! come on guys - back to simming!! and stop wasting your time. Regarding membership sites: they offers a very good service - and for sure it will not take me 10 or so minutes to move into another page - !!! very well worth the few dollars you pay for it!! you know why ya mean!! -
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Reply #114 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 12:59pm
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It's your opinion and you are entitled to it, as I am entitled to mine.
Beery - no offence, but your understanding of copyright law (as it pertains to in the U.K. anyway) is wrong. Microsoft have no automoatic ownership rights of anything just because they produce the product the add-ons work in.
Let us not forget that this is an issue over distribution licences - not copyright. Whilst the two are closely linked, they are not the same thing.
I've already explained why I choose to restrict distribution of my files in the last thread where this came up. I'm not going to repeat it all again. It's my choice to restrict it as it is your not to, and the law does exists to protect such rights.
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Reply #115 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 2:12pm
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John,
I utterly agree with everything you have said in this thread - I back you 100% in your efforts. I also have had wranglings with Ferdy. I emailed him not to long ago asking him to remove 4 of my files from his site - he replied proply saying he would - but I had to give a reason. I simply stated that I didn't agree with the distribution policy of the site.
He then mailed back saying he had forwarded the email to his hosts, and they would be removed with a few hours.
Not so - still there.
Something about this email strikes me as odd. If he can upload to his site, why does he need to forward emails to his hosts to get them removed? I'm no webmaster, but that seems strange to me.
John, If you want a copy of our correspondence, I'll be happy to provide it to you.
At least this shows the ferdy@fsplanet.com address works, I guess he doesn't want to reply to your emails.
Also, a useful site that may explain copyright issues in terms of distribution rights, see here:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
Let me know what help you need John, I'm more than happy to help in any way I can.
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Reply #116 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 2:13pm
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without offence to anybody.
So if the law exhist as you think - what are you waiting to take action??? rather than keep posting pointless messages at this board - - and wait for Italian Embassy to do if for you!! Can you see you are make yourself simply look like a fish out of water??
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Reply #117 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 3:01pm
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balboray, where you come from money may grow on trees, but in the real world you have to work for it, some of us cannot afford to pay for high taxing international lawyers etc. Thats why we are trying to gain support, and maybe raise some money to do this.
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Reply #118 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 3:23pm
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I've already explained why I choose to restrict distribution of my files in the last thread where this came up. I'm not going to repeat it all again. It's my choice to restrict it as it is your not to, and the law does exists to protect such rights.
You're right. It's your choice to seek to restrict access to your work in any way you see fit. I think it's a short sighted decision on your part, but you're entitled to make that mistake if you want. I seriously doubt that the law would be of any help to you in this case, but that's another issue - I'm not a lawyer, and presumably neither are you. I have had dealings with lawyers who did explain the issue to me regarding fair use and copyright, but that was a while ago, and I live in the US, not Britain, and this is the internet, not the real world with all of its national legislations etc., so this part of the discussion is fairly useless.
As to why anyone would limit access to an add-on, you may have your reasons, but I see a lot of add-on files on this and other websites which illustrate why files should never be copyrighted. There are a lot of very mediocre downloads that could really fly (no pun intended) if others were able to tweak them just a little bit. I estimate that 90% of user mods could easily be improved if they weren't stagnant due to restrictive licensing requirements that basically ensure that a person's creation cannot have life beyond the limited and often flawed existence that he or she enforced upon it by including a copyright clause.
If this were an issue of commerce - if your livelihood depended on your authorship - I would be on your side in an instant, but as far as I can see, these copyright issues, where they pertain to freeware add-ons for computer games, seem to me to be all about bragging rights and a selfish striving to control and restrict full and free access to people who might benefit from your work. What can be the harm in just distributing the work and letting it be?
When a creator copyrights or otherwise restricts access to his creation, he virtually ensures its death. Add-ons only survive in the long-term if they can evolve. They can't evolve if they're tied down by copyright or distribution restrictions. That may be why there are so many files floating about for FS98 and FS2000 that have not been upgraded to FS2002 - the creators may have moved on to other games, etc., but instead of giving their work life, they chose to tie their product to a copyright clause so that now people are afraid to upgrade their work to FS2002. Their work dies as soon as the version it was built for dies. The same will happen to your work if you're not around to update it. Mine, on the other hand, may still be around in perhaps 10 years because I choose to give my work a life beyond the restrictions of my authorship.
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Reply #119 -
Mar 7
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, 2003 at 3:26pm
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Blade has hit the nail on the head. I'm currently unemployed and can't afford the up-front costs on this occasion.
Otherwise Ferdy would have heard from my solicitors by now.
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