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CFS dumps me back to the desktop without notice! (Read 2927 times)
Dec 26th, 2002 at 11:10am

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Running an Intel 1.6 Pent IV 845WN motherboard with 512 mb RAM, Windows XP.  CFS set to default which calls for display to be maxed for everything except ground shadows.

Fine!  Except that after a few minutes of really satisfying action, I am suddenly "warped" to the desktop.  Adding insult to injury, the desktop colors have changed to a light tan background (About the color of the one in CFS.) necessitating resetting the "Properties" for the desktop.

Anybody got any words of wisdom about how to fix this one?  It does seem to correlate with the complexity of he scenery and the number of a/c in the particular mission.

Many thanks,

Phil424
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2003 at 1:03pm
Flavio   Guest

 
I have the same bug in my game/machine, and trying to fix it. Good to now i'm not alone. I'm very sad about this bug.
Let's compare our computers: my is an AMD K6 Sad-2 500 mhz, 128mb ram, video card NVIDIA Riva TNT2 model 64 32 mb with the latest driver, sound Creative AWE64 16-bit. Perhaps it's some problem with an of these components.
Anyone, make us happy, please ! ! ! ! !
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2003 at 7:08pm

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Not sure if this will help. Neither of you mentioned your Desktop resolution. The recommended setting for earlier sims like CFS1 is High Color (16 bit).
This setting is for Win98/Me. I have no knowledge of XP.
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 12th, 2003 at 9:03am
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The resolution already is high color 16 bits 800x600 win98, this is not the problem.
Searching for answers, i found in Microsoft Suport page a similar question, and they say that it is an IRQ allocation or of the video or of the sound card. These components have to be allocated to a specific IRQ, if another component is participating of this IRQ, the problem happens. In my computer, the video card is in IRQ 11 with an ACPI IRQ routing of IRQ PCI, and i still don't know how to set the video card to another IRQ.
They say there are some video cards that can be configured to different iRQs, but i think my can not.
I say again, i have a NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 model 64 32 mb, anyone can help me?
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2003 at 2:25pm
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Sincemmy initial query, I have upgraded my video card to a Radeon 9000 Pro Series (64mb).  Now, my game sets itself upon the first running after installation.  I have not had enough time to evaluate the result of the new hardware.  Windows XP has a feature that alows game to be installed as if it were running at the last point at which it was reliable.  I chose Win 95.

We shall see!

Stay in touch,

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Reply #5 - Jan 24th, 2003 at 2:25pm

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I finally asked Microsoft for help and they suggested un-installing CFS and re-installing with a clean boot in a directory all by itself.  I did all that they suggested, and what do you know?  It worked, at least after a few days of intensive playing it hasn't dumped me again. Go figure!

All three CFS programs seem to me to be inherently unstable, prone to all the ills of computerdom.  I'm not smart enough to know why, let alone how to fix it, so I'll just keep chuggin' along!

Cheers,

Phil
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 24th, 2003 at 2:26pm

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I finally asked Microsoft for help and they suggested un-installing CFS and re-installing with a clean boot in a directory all by itself.  I did all that they suggested, and what do you know?  It worked, at least after a few days of intensive playing it hasn't dumped me again. Go figure!

All three CFS programs seem to me to be inherently unstable, prone to all the ills of computerdom.  I'm not smart enough to know why, let alone how to fix it, so I'll just keep chuggin' along!

Cheers,

Phil
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 24th, 2003 at 2:52pm

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All three CFS programs seem to me to be inherently unstable, prone to all the ills of computerdom.

This may be true for CFS3 but certainly not CFS1 & 2.
CFS1 was always bug free as far as installation is concerned & would run well on even low-end machines without a 3D card. It ran perfectly on my own PII 233 + Voodoo2 with 128 Mb RAM on Win95. I've tried it on many different systems on Win95/98Hagar with no problem at all. CFS2 needed a slightly more powerful system but is much the same.

Problems with earlier versions of the M$ sims seem more common on the latest powerful processors & made worse by the introduction of WinXP. (I've never used it but this seems worse if you update to XP from an earlier OS.) I'm sure this is the cause of most problems you're having, not the software itself. Providing they're installed properly both CFS1 & CFS2 should run like a rocket on your system. I can't promise the same for CFS3.
 

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Reply #8 - Jan 25th, 2003 at 10:31pm
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I have a question for Phil424:

What do you mean "re-installing with a clean boot in a directory all by itself"? Are you running the game under your new or old video card? If you changed the card this may be the reason that it is working, isn´t it?

Please let me know, i want to see my game working too.

Thanks!!!
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2003 at 4:28pm

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Hi guys, so I am not alone with this dumping problem Grin
One thing that is strage is that flying a mission in a campaign  at the best part  Shocked dump.Restarting PC , fly another mission with more graphics no problems ???.This problems seems to appear in some missions. I am having this trouble in the Eastern Front 1 campaign.
PC wise 700Mhz , Asus 32mb display, 64ram. I am going to reinstall CFS and hope for the best, lot of work, Cfs now nearly 2gig big.
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2003 at 1:40pm

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Hi guys,
I reinstalled CFS and installed Enditall.( nice little program to close programs when flying)Utilities
No dumps so far  Grin, installed Cfs in its own dir, not under program files. Finished Ef campaign  Wink and startet new one. Me109 a bugger to land.
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2003 at 5:29pm

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I used to have this problem under XP. I found there were two causes.

One - something unexplained that was fixed when I had to reinstall XP, and then later

Two - some download 'planes were incompatible with XP in the Zone.

My only suggestion is that if you are using CD 'planes, reformat your hard disk and reinstall XP with all the latest drivers. If using downloaded models, either look for updated models that specifically state they work with XP or abandon incompatible ones.

That worked for me - maybe not for you. Good luck - you can get round it somehow.
 
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Reply #12 - May 28th, 2003 at 11:50pm

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Running an Intel 1.6 Pent IV 845WN motherboard with 512 mb RAM, Windows XP.  CFS set to default which calls for display to be maxed for everything except ground shadows.

Fine!  Except that after a few minutes of really satisfying action, I am suddenly "warped" to the desktop.  Adding insult to injury, the desktop colors have changed to a light tan background (About the color of the one in CFS.) necessitating resetting the "Properties" for the desktop.

Anybody got any words of wisdom about how to fix this one?  It does seem to correlate with the complexity of he scenery and the number of a/c in the particular mission.

Many thanks,

Phil424


I have the same chronic trouble with cfs1 and XP Home edition
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 4th, 2003 at 9:19am
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This reply originally ended up in the 'WinXP & CFS' topic when it was directed to 'CFS dumps me................' by mistake, however here it is again:---

I have been suffering this for ages on my win95 and XP. I am convinced it is connected to the aircraft involved, i.e. non CFS A/C. 
Any A/C from the FS series is a potential CFS disaster as far as I'm concerned. 
I have written a campaign featuring a Swordfish and whichever version I used caused the problem. 
In the end I gave up, it still lies in my pending tray awaiting an acceptable aircraft.
My advice is to change the aircraft. and keep to standard CFS aircraft if possible.
Unfortunately when writing missions one need a wider range of
aircraft, but those modified from the FS series leave much to be desired.
Trouble is nobody seems to be developing decent dedicated planes for CFS1 any more .
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 4th, 2003 at 11:26am

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I'm sure I mentioned this before but maybe not in this thread. There is a known conflict with some older FS98/CFS1 aircraft & WinXP. This is caused by them being animated with an early version of Aircraft Animator. They can be fixed by patching the MDL file with the MDL Repair Utility. http://www.simviation.com/fs2000utilities_gen2.htm

The conflict is with the aircraft & XP - not  a particular sim. The problem aircraft work fine in Win9x/Me. The utility has been tested for me by XP users & works for all current M$ sims except CFS3, for which it does not apply.
 

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Reply #15 - Jun 4th, 2003 at 7:18pm

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I'm sure I mentioned this before but maybe not in this thread. There is a known conflict with some older FS98/CFS1 aircraft & WinXP. This is caused by them being animated with an early version of Aircraft Animator. They can be fixed by patching the MDL file with the MDL Repair Utility. http://www.simviation.com/fs2000utilities_gen2.htm

The conflict is with the aircraft & XP - not  a particular sim. The problem aircraft work fine in Win9x/Me. The utility has been tested for me by XP users & works for all current M$ sims except CFS3, for which it does not apply.



Odd stuff...add-ons cause me no trouble in XP Home edition...it's the stock aircraft ( or missions/campaigns featuring them) which cause CFS to send me to the desktop. The BoB campaign, my favorite, is terrible in this respect.
 
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Reply #16 - Jun 4th, 2003 at 7:23pm

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Odd stuff...add-ons cause me no trouble in XP Home edition...it's the stock aircraft ( or missions/campaigns featuring them) which cause CFS to send me to the desktop. The BoB campaign, my favorite, is terrible in this respect.

Wish I could help but I can't figure that one out at all.  ???
 

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Reply #17 - Aug 3rd, 2003 at 2:53am

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I have had the same problem in my machine, since I changed from Celeron to PIV. It seems to be a thermic problem of the CPU. The hot air circulates inside of the case and doesn't cool the CPU sufficient. You can try it - let the box open and fly! May be,  it works.  
I haven't any trouble, since I give cool air from the outside of the box to the CPU-cooler.
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Reply #18 - Aug 15th, 2003 at 1:37am

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I had the same problem running windows 98 second addition. Pentium 3 with a Voodo card. The gray  matter is thick so I will try to remember the problem.

Lets see I would be playing CFS_1 and It would dump to the desk top or shut down the game completley. when you looked at it it would be a pinkish brown light color (spalsh screens). If you shut down the game and opened les say Microsoft Word you would have the same pinkish tan colors on you windows. To correct this you would have to shut down and reboot the computer then you would be back to normal colors in the windows.

Windows 98 operats on a fat 32. If I remeber correctly the problem was not in the game but the operating system itself. I had a damaged kernal with in the fat 32. To correct this I flatened the hard drive and reinstalled the operating system. I tried a repair but that did not work.

Then I reinstalled, drivers, up dates for the 98 operating system, reloaded CFS_1 renamed it to CFS_1Old. Reinstalled CFS_1. this gave me 2 versaions of CFS_1 on the hard drive. Then I went into the main file for CFS_1 old and created a short cut to the desk top. Renamed the short cut to CFS_1 Old. This way I could test any 3 party addons on the CFS_1Old before installing them to the CFS_1.
I never found any problems with the third party addons as I remember. It was the kernal in the fat 32 that created the problem.

IM currently running XP_pro, 2 gig processor, Nvida TI 4600 with 1 gig of RD Ram. It happened to me one time the same issue. If the game dumps when flying a campain or what ever THE splash screens and windows  change. I always with flight simulators run 3 versions of the same game on one hard drive/ named CFS_1, CFS_old CFS_test. This way I always test 3rd party addons before putting them into my CFS_1 game. I do believe this is the problem. XP_Pro runs NTFS not FAT 32. How ever XP_pro has fat 32 and when you install the windows operating system you can select FAT_32 or NTFS. I strongly recomend running NTFS. I believe it still lies in a third party scenery, mission or aircraft that causes the problem by creating a broken thread making the computer to drop one or two decimals when counting in the Hex Decimal system system(all computers when computing any program counts binnary hex decimals. That would explain why when the game dumps the windows system changes colors as if you went into the control panel and changed them. Again I do not suggest that you reload the operating system.

I would use a process of elimination. Re name the game folder to old. Create a new Icon. Reload a fresh game strictly stock. Fly it a while and see if you have the same issue. If you do then I would check Microsofts websight for current updates. Then I would make sure all my drivers for the video card and so on are current. Then try thge stock game for a whille and see if that doesnt cure the problem. If it does then I would name that folder to test create another Icon and reload a new CFS_1 program. This gives you 3 CFS_1. Defrag the hard drive at this point. Move Gauges first, then move one aircraft at a time to the test game and fly it for a while and see if you can create the same issue. If not then I would install it to the new CFS_1. I would do this on aircraft, scenery, textures missions, sound wave files etc etc. and so on untill I found the problem. This process would keep your games running, computer running. Once I pin pointed the problem I would take a corrective action. If it was a third party addon then I would deleate it. But be kind and notify the creator so he or she would have an opertunity to correct the bug. This is only a suggestion and sometimes locating an isssue can be very long and tedious process but it is better than the alternative of flatening a hard drive and starting over from scratch and when your done you could still have the same issue after reinstalling everything.
 

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