Sorry if this was already said, but I couldn't bring myself to read all 16 pages of this thread....

"Flight Of The Intruder" with Danny Glover and this other well known actor. (Can't think of his name).

Viet Nam film about what else? A-6 Intruder crew. Also, there's another film with, my boy, Tommy Lee Jones and Nicolus Cage, about an Army helo pilot trying to get his cert. "Firebirds", I think.

I think I will get it next time I'm down there ( I have to return the Star Trek "Enterprise" series cassettes I borrowed to catch up on, I think in a week).

I did almost grab the movie but I thought to myself "if it's only got 5 minutes of action and the rest is romance, ala Pearl Harbour" (the dust cover actually mentions it is ostensibly a romance involving 2 pilots and 1 woman, much like Pearl) I really don't see it being worth $6-00 overnight (as a New Release).
So I thought, I'll see if anyone on the forum has seen it and take it from there.

Yes, Hawker. This must be the longest thread including the 15 or 16 pages of Part 1 before it over loaded and Pete had to start up another topic (this one), WHICH REMINDS ME PETE! Are we likely to lose this any time soon?
I'd hate to loose my baby! Hagar and I nearly had heart attacks when it just disappeared last time due to too much postings (and pics).

Any how..........................

Oh yeah. My beloved History Channel has come up with a new concept. Called "Battle Front". Each episode features a particular place and battle (me thinks strangely similar to "Line of Fire") in WWII and does a reasonably in depth study which features at least one vet from that battle.
I saw "Guadalcanal" last night. Not bad. Believe it or not, a good amount of the shots were "first timers for me" along with the ones we've all seen a million times.

P.S. Just a quick question. There was a night sea battle in which the US lost 4 Heavy Cruisers. Was one of these the Chicago? I know the Chicago was in Australia when the midget Sub attack took place in Sydney Harbour. It was actually the target of the attack. The torpedo fired by one of the sub that sank a ferry and killed over 100 Australian sailors (it was being used as a berth) went under the Chicago an hit the ferry behind it.
The Chicago, I believe, went on to Guadalcanal from Sydney, when the Marine left New Zealand for the Solomons. 

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he,he,thanks,i feel very honored. i speak english for seven years now, but i couldn't practice using it,until i came here. a nice location to improve foreign languages.

p.s:sorry for double post!

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Sorry Andrew, haven't seen mention of it here.

Have seen a couple of further History Channel doco's.
One of the "Battlefront" ones I mentioned, about BoB.
Completely new doco, considering all the others that have been presented in some form or another on the Channel.
It was more about the Planes than anything else. gave alot of comparative info between the Bf109, Fw190, Spit and Hurri.
Also alot of info concerning losses on each side on given days or during particular engagements.
I remember the overall total for the Battle being 1400 German planes lost against 600 British fighters. not bad going considering the 109 was 'supposed' to be such a superior machine! (not by my estimation).

I saw a few 'gun camera' shots (which from memory I haven't seen before) which quite clearly show 109's being shot at. It looks pretty obvious to me that in these shots the pilot is struggling to keep the 109 from stalling while trying to out-turn the attacking plane. The 109 seems to be pulling out of sight for a few seconds and then suddenly a wing drops and it slows and falls, almost sideways, downward, giving the attacker another 'plumb' shot.
I seems to me that they really must have been a real bugger to to maneuvre at slower speeds in tight situations. I have found that this is exactly how I find them in the CFS Sims.
As far as I'm concerned, especially after seeing these confirming shots, that the Hurricane especially was a 'dream' to fly compared to the 109.

Also another 'quaint' comment was made regarding the cockpits of the 109 versus the British fighters.

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Obviously referring to the very tight fit of the 109 cockpit. Exactly the feeling I get when I've got the 109 Sim on Virtual Cockpit.................lol

yeah,the Bf-109 was a very small plane. just look at the -K-version with its ugly bumps ,because of the wep-injection mechanism and cannons. but it was an awesome airplane. i think the american pilots had a lot of trouble with them.

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It's been mentioned a couple times since the last page

btw, when you're talking about the '109', which one ???

There were to my knowledge 'FW', 'ME', & 'BF' models, but could never get them straight.

[quote author=Hagar link=board=gen;num=1035895195;start=225#237 date=05/22/03 at 13:14:19]
Hi Andrew,. By "here" I think Brensec meant in Australia.

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I did. Thanks Hagar.

In reference to the Fw190, Hawker. Even though the "Battlefront" episode I am talking about, was titled 'The Battle of Britain", they did, in the last 10-15 mins or so, cover the Fw190 and the later models of the Spits.
They often go past the actual event to give a perspective or include events etc from before to give an understanding of the lead-up (you'll note I also mentioned the Polish campaign, that was covered briefly in the beginning to..........set the seen, so to speak).
They didn't infer that the Fw190 was flying during the BoB, they just included it in their comparisons with the other planes and also in some of the "overall discussions re figures etc.

As far as seeing a Bf109, yes I have. There was one in the Australian War Memorial in Canberra until they disassembled the old "Aircraft Gallery" about 5 or 6 years ago, in order to refurbish all the planes.
They have opened a new "Gallery" and there are some good planes (but my beloved "G for George" is not back yet )

I remember the Bf109 being very small (I'm sure it was an 'Emil'). I think the thing that makes the cockpit of the 109 so claustrophobic is the flat roof in the canopy. In the Sims, that's the most noticable thing to me.
I believe the Spit originally had a lower canopy and it was made higher because some of the pilots were having trouble with headroom. Hence the "Bubble" on the front section.