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Reply #15 - Nov 1st, 2002 at 11:50pm

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Never seen that one either
 
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Reply #16 - Nov 2nd, 2002 at 12:41am

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Has anyone seen the movie 'Memphis Belle'???

I saw a couple minutes of it at a friends and i wondered if it was any good


I saw it and I liked it a lot.  I know that the only truth behind the movie is the name of the plane and their accomplishment, besides that-the mission they portrayed was totally fiction, even the missions target (it wasn't Bremin).  But, I thought it was a good movie non the less.

If you want a really good B-17 movie, go rent "Twelve O'Clock High" starring Gregory Peck (1949).  All it usues are real B-17s (including a real "belly-landing" done for the movie).  But, besure to get it in the original b/w-it just looks better.
 
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Reply #17 - Nov 2nd, 2002 at 1:06am

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I'm just gonna have to watch it since everybody seems to like it.

Also, what's so special about that particular B-17???

I've heard of it before and i've seen small models of the 'Memphis Belle', and it's the most well-known B-17, but why that one? There were a lot of other bomber crews
 
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Reply #18 - Nov 2nd, 2002 at 1:22am

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It was the 1st B-17 in the 8th Air Force to complete a 25 mission tour of duty, thats why its so famous.

But, what many people don't know is that she was actually the 2nd B-17 to fly 25 missions.  The bomber "Hell's Angels" completed it's tour before shortly before the Belle but it was in the less fanous 12th Air Force.  Therefore, history has sort of forgotten it.
 
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Reply #19 - Nov 2nd, 2002 at 3:59am

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I'll just drop by and give my cent and a half on the flicks I've seen (mostly modern):

Good:
1)Saving Private Ryan
2)Black Hawk Down
3)We Were Soldiers

Iffy:
Tora Tora Tora!
Patton
Platoon
Behind Enemy Lines
Pearl Harbor

Bad:
Hart's War
The Thin Red Line
Windtalkers

The movies in the good are there because they're what I think'd be realistic.  Iffies had pottential, but were either ruined or didn't have enough bloodletting.  Pearl Harbor bombed.  And I don't mean into the pickle barrel either.  Not to mention all the errors in it I found.  Patton was a nice watch, and I actually learned something, but, not enough war.  I did like those Ju. 88's that kept pissin' him off though! Grin Tora x3's actual Pearl Harbor scene was too short.  Although I did appreciate the real aircraft sacrificed for the movie.  Platoon was okay, but I find Vietnam boring.  You couldn't really take Behind Enemy Lines seriously, but it was still a fun watch.
Now, these bad movies, they piss me off, I mean big time.  Hart's War sucked so, friggin' bad.  It was more a court movie than war.  There was about an alloted 12 minutes of war.  All of which was entirely unrealistic.  The Thin Red Line had too much symbolism in it.  Last I checked, I was watchin' a war movie, not readin' Robert Frost.  Windtalkers is the worst.  I believe with firm conviction that Windtalkers was just a movie thrown out by Hollywood after September 11th just to get the patriotism up.  It worked the first couple movies, but by Windtalkers' time, the effect had long since worn off.  To the actual movie, let me ask you, what soldier starts crackin' jokes in a bloodfest against the Japs?  None, that's who.  The music in the battle scenes totally did not work also.  Pearl Harbor pulled it off, but that's because it was aerial, and composed by Hanz Zimmer.
 

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Reply #20 - Nov 2nd, 2002 at 8:27am

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I saw another oldie a couple of weeks ago, just remebered it. A Pommy one, made during the war. It's a true account of an RAAF crew who bail out over Holland. Kind of a Doco really. "One of our Aircraft is Missing". A couple of players are the actual blokes playing themselves.....interesting!

It goes through how they manage to get in contact with the Dutch underground and get channelled back to England.

Remember that one?  Grin Wink

I must have seen every film of this era many times. My dear Mum worked at the local cinema so us kids got in free. We had no TV & they changed the programme 3 times a week in those days. Unless they were particularly good I wouldn't remember the titles.

How about The War Lover? Steve McQueen & Robert Wagner (1963)
A first-rate World War II drama about two pilots who love the same woman. Contains an abundance of excellent aerial photography. Based on a novel by John Hersey.

I think it's more of a love story & not sure if it's worth watching. I remember being disappointed as I knew one of the guys who brought 3 B-17s over from the US to England for the action sequences. He told me they went out to a desert storage area where they were all lined up in various states of repair. They kicked the tyres & picked the ones that were still inflated. Fitted extra fuel tanks in the fuselage & flew them back. He spent the whole flight sitting by the extra tank ready to transfer the fuel with a hand pump. Wink

The same guy also worked on 633 Squadron. If anyone remembers one of the Mossies crashing into a fuel bowser & blowing up, imagine my friend running behind it & steering the aircraft into the bowser. This was done with fishing line attached to the brakes. He told me he had to get it right first time as the aircraft was totally destroyed & that was the only one they could spare. This seems a complete waste to me now as I'm not too sure there are any airworthy Mossies left.  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #21 - Nov 2nd, 2002 at 10:39am

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Hey, look what I found folks. This should revive those flagging memories. Wink
http://www.coastcomp.com/av/fltline2/avmovie.htm

Here's what it says about The War Lover which I mentioned earlier.

The War Lover
1962 *v
USAAF- Steve McQueen; 8th AF B-17's. Rivalry between "normal" co-pilot and macho pilot who loves combat. A lot of moody black and white footage of Forts.

Filmed in England with with 3 B-17G's: 2 PB-1W's, both scrapped after filming, and a CB-17G/VB-17G (now N9563Z Fuddy Duddy). Shot at ex-RAF Bovingdon. TB-25J Mitchell camera ship from Aero Assoc (44-30861).

The studio B-17 fuselage had actually been one of the 3 famous Isreali B-17's, bought after being broken up in Isreal.

One of the parajumpers drowned during filming. John Crewdson flew the terrific B-17 beatup at Bovingdon.

RAF Manston was used as well. They slso used stock footage from "Memphis Belle" and and "12 O'Clock High". Watch for the Spitfire attacking the B-17 in several scenes!


I found the site while searching for Crewdson Aviation Services, the company my friend worked for. It was based at Gatwick in the old days & handled most film aviation consultancy work in the UK at that time. Mention of that low flying sequence reminds me of a well-known pic published in the aviation press. Wish I had it now. It was taken from the control tower balcony while Captain Crewdson was rehearsing it. The camera was actually looking down on the B-17. Some witnesses swore he was only 10 feet above the field.
 

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Reply #22 - Nov 2nd, 2002 at 1:22pm

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Unfortunately Hagar mate, there are no airworthy Mosquito's anywhere in the world right now. There is one under rebuild in Canada, but no time frame for a first flight, could be five years. Kermit Weaks in the US brought an airworthy Mosquito in the UK and had it flown to the States some years back but that is now grounded because of delamination of the plywood.
Sad when you think that those in 633 Squadron only cost about £65 each I think.
 

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Reply #23 - Nov 2nd, 2002 at 9:13pm

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Hey, look what I found folks. This should revive those flagging memories. Wink
http://www.coastcomp.com/av/fltline2/avmovie.htm

Thanks, Hagar.  It amazes me how you come up with these sites.  This will be a good one for checking out the aircraft in a movie before watching it, so we'll know what to look for.  Or for trying to figure it out after viewing.

For example, I saw Flying Tigers a few years ago and was surprised to see a plane with three vertical tail fins and two (or 3 ?)horizontal tail planes.  At the time I thought maybe it was a fanciful model, and I've never seen anything like it before or since.  I was thinking it was a passenger plane.  I wonder if it could have been the bomber mentioned below:

From http://www.coastcomp.com/av/fltline2/avmovie.htm, Quote:
Flying Tigers
1942 *v
USAAF- John Wayne; Almost all P-40 mock-ups, stock American Volunteer Group footage, Spitfire footage from "The Lion Has Wings", and "Air Force". Some air footage was shot around the Curtiss facility in Buffalo with pre-delivery repainted P-40's.

Apparently the set was an authentic reproduction of the AVG facility, but set on a California studio ranch. The very odd bomber is the the only Capelis XC-12 'Safety Aircraft Transport' built. Current tape version of "Flying Tigers" is now colourized
 

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Reply #24 - Nov 3rd, 2002 at 9:40am

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Thanks, Hagar.  It amazes me how you come up with these sites.  This will be a good one for checking out the aircraft in a movie before watching it, so we'll know what to look for.  Or for trying to figure it out after viewing.

Hi Doug. Glad you like the site. It should be an invaluable resource for film buffs like us.  Wink
I find most of this stuff with my Google Toolbar which is so useful for a confirmed "surfer" like me. As with any search engine you might have to try a few combinations of words before anything useful shows up.

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For example, I saw Flying Tigers a few years ago and was surprised to see a plane with three vertical tail fins and two (or 3 ?)horizontal tail planes.  At the time I thought maybe it was a fanciful model, and I've never seen anything like it before or since.  I was thinking it was a passenger plane.  I wonder if it could have been the bomber mentioned below:

This is an ideal example as the type is very rare. I typed " Capelis XC-12 photo " (without the quotes) in the box & it came up with this + many more. http://www.aerofiles.com/_ca.html
The XC-12  is listed on the page with a decription & 3 links to photos. I've posted one below. I never knew this aircraft existed until today.

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Reply #25 - Nov 3rd, 2002 at 2:26pm

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the best one is the Hunt for Red October
 

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Reply #26 - Nov 3rd, 2002 at 5:15pm

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the best one is the Hunt for Red October

The film was good but the book is excellent!
 

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Reply #27 - Nov 3rd, 2002 at 7:41pm

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The film was good but the book is excellent!


I think the book was better also. I read it before I saw the film. The film was a bit drawn out.  Grin

I've been busy the last couple of days so haven't been online since Friday (Sydney time). Much discussion has gone on in many forums in which I participate.

One film I want to mention on this one I, unforunately, don't recall the full name. It's not unlike the one that Hagar was describing earlier. More of a love story than a war film, but still some good action sequences.
It's a Pommy film made in the '80's, I think, called "something Street". Stars Harrison Ford and Christopher Plumber. Ford falls for Plumbers wife and the two men end up going on a secret mission together.
I liked the film. Does anyone recall the full name.  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #28 - Nov 3rd, 2002 at 10:14pm

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I watched 'Windtalkers' lastnight and watched 'Memphis Belle' just a while ago.

'Wandtalkers' was ok, but i was rather dissapointed with it.

As for 'Memphis Belle', i really liked it... Cheesy
 
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Reply #29 - Nov 4th, 2002 at 1:37am

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Hi Doug. Glad you like the site. It should be an invaluable resource for film buffs like us.  Wink
I find most of this stuff with my Google Toolbar which is so useful for a confirmed "surfer" like me. As with any search engine you might have to try a few combinations of words before anything useful shows up.

This is an ideal example as the type is very rare. I typed " Capelis XC-12 photo " (without the quotes) in the box & it came up with this + many more. http://www.aerofiles.com/_ca.html
The XC-12  is listed on the page with a decription & 3 links to photos. I've posted one below. I never knew this aircraft existed until today.

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Thanks for the photo, Hagar!  You're a living monument to aviation!  Now I have proof that the thing existed.  Previously, no one I described it to really thought I knew what I was talking about.  They just humored me and suggested aircraft with one tail plane Embarrassed.

You've finally won me over to the Google Toolbar.  I'm determined to get one and try it.

BTW, I just ran across a photo of a Junkers G 38 (in Jane's Encyc. of Aviation), which also has two tail planes and three vertical fins, but is quite different otherwise of course.  It was also rare, only two were built.  It's an unusual plane with two passenger cabins in the wing roots.  The first one flew in 1929 and crashed in 1936.  The second was destroyed in an RAF raid in 1940.

Oops, I've strayed away from movies.  Sorry, Brensic, we Tanks can be pretty incorrigible at times.  Sometimes Pommies as well Roll Eyes Wink.  (J/K)
 

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