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Dec 15th, 2012 at 1:39pm

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Sir Fozzer.With your background on the dinosaur days of computing,and I might add,you bested me by about 4 years experience...the NET is full of misleading links for the old,plain,just simple BASIC.There's so many off shoots and garbage.I am looking for just the simple BASIC we used to play with;you know,...IF_THEN,SUB_GOSUB,FOR x= and so on.Got any leads or links? I tried Microsoft and IBM and they have as many off shoots as the regular NET search does.Lawd Hep Me PLEASE> Thanx Sir.  // stephan  // Altitude With Attitude!   Shocked
 
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Reply #1 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 1:48pm

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My first encounter with Basic was "sinclair basic" on my ZX spectrum.
Try a search for sinclair basic in Wikapeadia. There are several links to other basic's.

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Reply #2 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 1:57pm

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IF Fozzer cooks meal  Smiley
GOTO SimV forums
THEN drool over gourmet delights  Tongue
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Reply #3 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 3:00pm

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Fozzer and myself both cut our teeth on Sinclair Basic on the Spectrum. Classic machine Cool
 

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Reply #4 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 3:47pm

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I seem to remember spending about a day to get a miniature Star ship Enterprise to go from one side of the monitor to the other.
Oh, but the sence of achievement!
Halcion days.

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Reply #5 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 3:51pm

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I have mountains of manuals dealing with programming Sinclair BASIC, and also programming the Zilog Z80 Central processor in Machine Code!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum
Like Ozzy, I have spent many years since the first Sinclair ZX80 home computer in 1980, through the various Sinclair models culminating in the magnificent Spectrum Plus and the Spectrum 128.
Also programming manuals for the Commodore C64 and Amstrad CPC 464.
The following Commodore Amiga 500 and 1200 were 16-bit machines, with long addresses, so more difficult to program in Machine Code.
I still have all those old computers, together with mountains of various hardware and software for them.

The "shame?" is, they re now superseded by various Emulators, of which, my favourite is the "Spectaculator" for Spectrum 48/128k machines...>>> http://www.spectaculator.com/
..all the spectrum games available for free...!

It is fully programmable in BASIC and Machine Code, just as the original...and even capable of hacking "Multiface©" into games for "Infinite....whatever you fancy"!

I have spent, and still do, hack into the games codes to give me God-like invincibility, etc!

Paul...A house full of "Computer Stuff"... Grin... Grin...!

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To fully program the Sinclair Spectrum requires the genuine manual supplied with the machine.
Example: http://www.retroisle.com/sinclair/zxspectrum/originaldocs.php
 

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Reply #6 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 3:55pm

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Fozzer wrote on Dec 15th, 2012 at 3:51pm:
I have mountains of manuals dealing with programming Sinclair BASIC, and also programming the Zilog Z80 Central processor in Machine Code!
Like Ozzy, I have spent many years since the first Sinclair Z80 home computer in 1980, through the various Sinclair models culminating in the magnificent Spectrum Plus and the Spectrum 128.
Also programming manuals for the Commodore C64 and Amstrad CPC 464.
The following Commodore Amiga 500 and 1200 were 16-bit machines, with long addresses, so more difficult to program in Machine Code.
I still have all those old computers, together with mountains of various hardware and software for them.

The "shame?" is, they re now superseded by various Emulators, of which, my favourite is the "Spectaculator" for Spectrum 48/128k machines...>>> http://www.spectaculator.com/
..all the spectrum games available for free...!

It is fully programmable in BASIC and Machine Code, just as the original...and even capable of hacking "Multiface©" into games for "Infinite....whatever you fancy"!

I have spent, and still do, hack into the games codes to give me God-like invincibility, etc!

Paul...A house full of "Computer Stuff"... Grin... Grin...!

Sinclair Spectrum 48k (Timex)....
The King is dead...long live the King!

To fully program the Sinclair Spectrum requires the genuine manual supplied with the machine.
Example: http://www.retroisle.com/sinclair/zxspectrum/originaldocs.php


We are not worthy, we are not worthy. All bow to the great and powerful Fozz.

Zaph... Grin Grin
« Last Edit: Dec 16th, 2012 at 8:45am by Zaphod »  

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Reply #7 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 3:59pm

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Bedroom Programmers, Zeph, one and all!.... Wink...!

Happy days... Cheesy...!

Paul...1: GOTO BED... Grin...!

I have many fond memories of groups of us busy programming our 8-bit Spectrum and Commodore computers in our bedrooms in the early 1980's!
 

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Reply #8 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 4:01pm

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Fozzer wrote on Dec 15th, 2012 at 3:59pm:
Bedroom Programmers, Zeph, one and all!.... Wink...!

Happy days... Cheesy...!

Paul...1: GOTO BED... Grin...!


Paul...2: GOTO PUB...

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Reply #9 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 4:06pm

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Zaphod wrote on Dec 15th, 2012 at 4:01pm:
Fozzer wrote on Dec 15th, 2012 at 3:59pm:
Bedroom Programmers, Zeph, one and all!.... Wink...!

Happy days... Cheesy...!

Paul...1: GOTO BED... Grin...!


Paul...2: GOTO PUB...

Zaph..


30: LET glass = full
40: IF glass = empty THEN GOTO bar: GET refill
50: RETURN

Paul....this could go on forever... Grin...!

« Last Edit: Dec 16th, 2012 at 3:30am by Fozzer »  

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Reply #10 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 8:15pm

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Ozzy72...
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Reply #11 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 8:28pm

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Fozzer,Sir.I bend in humble posture to your computer savvy.I worked BASIC with the IBM 8088,Commodore 64 and 128 (which,as you know,used the same BASIC),and IF my memory serves me correctly,I had a Timex Sinclair 1000.Rigged it into my car with a 6 inch B&W tv as a monochrome monitor,and was the first in my town to run a mobile computer.Took the local police 10 years to catch up.I ran a scanner in my car,and when license plates were broadcast over the PD freqs,I'd enter them and kept a running check on multi-offenders.Or,at least that was the idea and goal.Problem was memory.My main programming experience was BASIC on the Commodore 128.I have the manuals still.But not the computers.NEVER could wrap my head around machine language.Something just wouldn't click in my head about the 'addresses' and such. Worked with the (Trash) TRS-80 as well,but the BASIC was the same as for the Commodores.Had fun.Looking to do it again.Got an old laptop/monochrome,but dont remember who made it,it's been so long since I fooled with it.It has BASIC in it.Think I'll dig it out.Reading all of your forum replies to BASIC has refuelled my desire to do it even more.Thanx a bunch.Maybe start a forum page on BASIC? Something for y'all to think about!//stephan  'Altitude With Attitude!'   Cool
 
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Reply #12 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 3:48am

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The one thing that I adore about Sinclair BASIC, is its ability to easily program complex mathematical calculations with a few key presses!
Sinclair BASIC contains all the mathematical parameters built in to its language, and a program can be quickly typed in to produce the result.
10 LET a=2
20 LET b=10
30 PRINT a*b

20

Much better than a pocket calculator, as the whole sequence of calculations remains on the screen, to be examined, and modified if required....rather like a blackboard and chalk!

Very complex mathematical calculations (Sin, Cos, Pi, Tan, etc) can be programmed in the same way, on the Spectrum keyboard, and the result printed out on the screen.

The sort of programming language which I miss the ability to use on modern Windows-based PC's... Cry...!

The 1980's was the magic decade for enthusiastic home computer programming...Millions of us!.... Smiley...!

Paul... Wink...!

10 GET tea
20 GOTO chair

... Grin...!
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Reply #13 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 10:29am

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Fozzer wrote on Dec 16th, 2012 at 3:48am:
10 GET tea
20 GOTO chair



http://www.aivosto.com/visustin/help/pseudocode.html

If you are hungry Then eat

If you want tea Then
  Drink tea
Else
  If you want coffee Then
    Drink coffee
  Else
    No drink
  End If
End If

or

Making tea
Boil water
Do Until water is boiling
  Sit and wait
Loop
Put teabag into water
Do While tea is too hot
  wait until it cools down
Loop
Drink
If tea tastes bad Then make coffee

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Reply #14 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 10:49am

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......^^^^^^....... Grin... Grin...!

Simple logic... Grin...!

Paul...IF tired GOTO bed.... Grin...!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_BASIC

If you are familiar with Sinclair/Timex BASIC this free "Fuse" Spectrum Emulator will do the job!...>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuse-emulator/files/fuse/1.0.0.1/fuse-1.0.0.1-wi...

http://fuse-emulator.sourceforge.net/#Download
...works a treat!
 

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Reply #15 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 9:39pm

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Looks good to see something on the forum I can relate to,even if it doesnt measure up to some of the expertise described in the forum.Sim data manipulation eludes me big time.I mean,I can add fx_oldjetsmoke,and fx_navredm and external 'pretties'like that,but to change other things (ie,that steering problem on the Camsim Bizjet20,I am at a sad loss.These are things I DO NEED to learn.But I have NO knowledge of aerodynamics and manipulation of contact points.So it does me good to come 'here' and be able to relate to something.Good to see.Gents,I WILL try that Sinclair Basic.Your Line examples seem same as I'm used to working with.But ,MOST BASIC uses nearly the same syntax.QBASIC,BASIC,BASICA and such.Just slight omissions to some,and I think thats the major (if not the only ) difference.I'll let ya know what I think of Sinclair.Thanx so much for ALL the inputs and syntax styled jokes.!!  Smiley  Smiley//stephan / 'Atitude With Attitude!'   Cool
 
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stephan,

Here's something to keep in your files:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc526949.aspx

"How to Interpret an Aircraft.cfg."

(this might be incorrect, but here goes...):

10 PRINT "DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? (1=Y 2=N)"
20 INPUT 1 OR 2
30 IF 20=1 THEN PRINT 50
40 IF 20=2 THEN PRINT 60
50 PRINT "IF YOU DO, THEN YOU'RE A SMARTER MAN THAN I!"
60 PRINT "DON'T FEEL BAD; MANY DON'T EITHER, INCLUDING MYSELF...!"
70 END

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Reply #17 - Dec 17th, 2012 at 1:23pm

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Morning Lt.Viper Pilot...
I used the string input for the most part when I programmed multi-question,single input data.Been a long time,but something like...
10 Input "enter your name here for access;A$
20 If A$ <> "stephan" then cls,goto10
30 cls,? "Hello stephan"
The syntax here is most likely wrong.When Windows first came out,I swore I'd never get tied up in new fangled technology.I did just fine making my own database sheets and such.Then,I got to see Windows in action and gave it a try.Alas,I have neglected my BASIC friend for many years now.Wouldnt take long to get back into it,but I have to have a need to fool with it.My spare time is spent with FS9.
I may eventually step its priority up,as I did enjoy BASIC...seeing what I could do with it.But,one day at a time.
IF you woke up to a sunny morning,THEN enjoy it.ELSE GOTO bed.//stephan / 'Altitude With Attitude!' /  Cool
 
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stephan,

Like Paul, the only real exposure I had with BASIC was playing the OLD Star Trek game on the TTY at school, almost forty years ago! As far as computer skills go, I probably know just enough to be a mortal danger to anyone asking assistance from
me. Other than that, I'm pretty much worthless...

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Reply #19 - Dec 18th, 2012 at 12:17pm

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Viper pilot...Thanx for the link to the Aircraft Cfg. description.It seems to speak to me in a way I understand a little better.I can use it for sure.Thanx again.I recieved other links as well,and they were very similar,and may have been the same link in some cases and that I just wasn't 'getting it'. But I looked at the link you provided and I think it will help.I dont know where you folks got your understandings of figure manipulations.There isnt a school that teaches this stuff.Understanding aerodynamic and so on do have schools,but I find that hard to believe that all of you that create sim AC went to those schools or classes;and to read the instructions for GMAX,and try to understand what is going on there?...hah!...I might as well go to aerodynamics design classes!So,props to you all that understand this stuff.Without the help from all of you,I'd be dead in the water and growing bored with the whole thing!So thanks again to you and to all of the forum staff and patrons for your help!// stephan / 'Altitude With Attitude!  Cool
 
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BASIC is still used in teaching, used a java implementation (jBasic) in my second year of uni and I did rather enjoy writing a few small programs in it Cheesy It was a simpler time. When a GOTO was considered a valid method to shift control to another part of the program Tongue
 
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Goto was good.I liked GOSUB and RETURN. I collected mineral crystals,gem crystals and cut gems.Ended with over 500 pcs. I wanted to keep data on them...what I paid for them,or if I dug them myself n where,date,name,mineral family,etc.Needed a windows type environment so I wouldnt be all day searching for certain data on certain specimen number xtal or gem.Also wanted a system where I could add data on auto numbered lines with input request so I didnt have to enter data for a new specimen in 'long hand'.Made my own prgm with BASIC.It did it all.Even had a 'draw' section where if I wanted to see what crystal system (ie., hexagonal,monoclinic,trigonal,etc.),I could enter the number designated for that system and the 3-D drawing would pop up.And it did much more that I wont continue to bore you with.But , yes, BASIC was fun.To sit down...make your own program...and keep adding to it and modifying it to perfection was an enjoyable and rewarding task.Making a program that did only what you needed without all the extra stuff is,in my mind,still the way to go. Have fun guys'. ---p.s.,,, took my SR-71 across 3 time zones last night to party at 3 New Years parties.The altitude and velocity on take off sent the virtual alcohol to my virtual head.Gave me quite a virtual buzz.Woke up with the worst virtual hang over ever!    Shocked   Grin //stephan 'Altitude With Attitude!'   Cool
 
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I learned BASIC on a mainframe at UMass back in the late 60's using PUNCH CARDS! Then on to Fortran and Cobol.

Had a number of the Sinclair ZX-81s and spent years customizing them and writing code.

Thanks for the memories.

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Reply #23 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 10:24am

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I am curious about this little device that hits the headlines every now and again...

the "Raspberry Pi Computer" by Farnell ..>>>

http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html?COM=raspi-group

http://www.maplin.co.uk/raspberry-piandreg-board-and-starter-kit-652805?_$ja=kw:...

I just wonder what form of Language it uses, and if that includes BASIC.
I haven't looked into it deeply so far, but there are/is lots of info on it, on the Internet!

Paul...GOSUB and up periscope.. Cool...!

I still use the wonderful Sinclair Basic, and Zilog Z80 Machine Code, for various applications.

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Reply #24 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 10:23pm

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It appears I'm as ignorant in the use of the net as a man from the desert on his first deep sea fishing trip.I never had the net till 2 months ago.If I needed the net,I went to the library.And that was to come to Simviation.I see sites for Sinclaire(sw) BASIC,but when I go to them for a download,I get a bunch of advertisings for all kinds of BASIC including Small BASIC (what ever that is) and several others.Dont know a thing about them.Could be just like the old IBM BASIC,which is what idealy,I want.But IBM doesnt have it available as far as I can see.But like I say...Simviation is the only regular place I go.I hardly do any surfing.  You folks have a good,safe New Year holiday! //stephan 'Altitude With Attitude!  Cool
 
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Fozzer,

The Raspberry Pi is hardware.  It speaks whatever language (operating system) is installed on it.

Most people use some version of Linux.
 

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Reply #26 - Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:21am

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Webb wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 1:39am:
Fozzer,

The Raspberry Pi is hardware.  It speaks whatever language (operating system) is installed on it.

Most people use some version of Linux.


I just wondered if the Raspberry Pi hardware chips contained the complete, built-in Operating System language, like the 8-bit Computers; Sinclair Spectrum, Commodore C64, etc; or it required the user using an external (Linux) language to operate the system.
The Sinclair Spectrum contained both the BASIC language chip, and the Zilog Z80 Machine language chip, self-contained.

The price of all the necessary external bits of hardware, added together, makes the Pi a quite expensive computer!

I think I'll stick to my complete Sinclair Spectrum 48k.... Grin...!

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Reply #27 - Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:19am

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The Raspberry pi will run any language that will run on Linux Smiley, such as tinyBASIC , on the Raspbian distro python is installed by default and ready to use as soon as you boot into the OS, but adding other compilers/run times is not a tasking job Cheesy
 
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