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Reply #15 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 2:24am

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P.S: Please make it a rule that screenshots of MS Flight may only be posted where we post pictures of OTHER non simulator screenshot posts eg. the likes of COD etc. Roll Eyes

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Flying Mouse I completely agree with you.

But I don't think that people would be so let down about Flight if they hadn’t made the assumption that Flight would be a Simulator.

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Reply #16 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:03am

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"Flight" is a simulator full stop.

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Reply #17 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:05am

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andy190 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 2:24am:

But I don't think that people would be so let down about Flight if they hadn’t made the assumption that Flight would be a Simulator.

That's the most intelligent statement I've seen on this subject. It was obvious to me right from the start. The fact is that Flight was never intended as an extension to the MSFS series. That finished when the Microsoft ESP platform was licensed to Lockheed Martin. One provision of the licence is that Lockheed is specifically excluded from the Entertainment market.

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Reply #18 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 5:29am

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Hagar wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:05am:

andy190 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 2:24am:

But I don't think that people would be so let down about Flight if they hadn’t made the assumption that Flight would be a Simulator.

That's the most intelligent statement I've seen on this subject. It was obvious to me right from the start. The fact is that Flight was never intended as an extension to the MSFS series. That finished when the Microsoft ESP platform was licensed to Lockheed Martin. One provision of the licence is that Lockheed is specifically excluded from the Entertainment market.

I would have to disagree to a point. When MS say, "the sky is the limit, now everyone can enjoy the fun, freedom and adventure of flight. Feel the power at your finger tips and take to the skies" (their words not mine),then it sounds like a simulator to me Undecided

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Reply #19 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:19am

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expat wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 5:29am:

I would have to disagree to a point. When MS say, "the sky is the limit, now everyone can enjoy the fun, freedom and adventure of flight. Feel the power at your finger tips and take to the skies" (their words not mine),then it sounds like a simulator to me Undecided

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To me that looks like a slogan dreamed up by an advertising agency.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by simulator. From what I've seen & read about it so far it's a game. Nothing wrong with that but I can't see it appealing to MSFS enthusiasts who expected an improvement on FSX. To be fair MS never promoted it as FSXI. Unfortunately the minimal information posted on the Flight website was deliberately vague & people could read into it what they liked.

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Reply #20 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:45am

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Hagar wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:19am:

expat wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 5:29am:

I would have to disagree to a point. When MS say, "the sky is the limit, now everyone can enjoy the fun, freedom and adventure of flight. Feel the power at your finger tips and take to the skies" (their words not mine),then it sounds like a simulator to me Undecided

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Unfortunately the minimal information posted on the Flight website was deliberately vague & people could read into it what they liked.

That sums it up. We should have know better right from the start Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:49am

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It is a fact, that it is completely "different" from any of the MS Flight Simulators that we have used before.
"Flight" seem to be aimed at a market of "aircraft game" newcomers, and to that end it may prove to be very successful.

Maybe, after a short while, they could become even more interested in the experience, and purchase the proper MS Flight Simulators for a more genuine flight simulator!

Perhaps, that way, we may accumulate even more flying enthusiasts, over time!

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Reply #22 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:06am

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expat wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:45am:

Hagar wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:19am:

Unfortunately the minimal information posted on the Flight website was deliberately vague & people could read into it what they liked.

That sums it up. We should have know better right from the start Roll Eyes

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JBaymore wrote on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 4:49pm:

Hagar wrote on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:

Boikat wrote on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 2:48pm:

Hagar wrote on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 1:38pm:

Boikat wrote on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 11:32am:

What Capt. P said is something i've also said before: How is MS going to stop an independant designer from developing their own Flight addons and distributing them? No matter what they would try (if they were to try to prevent "unauthorized addons") someone would figure out a workaround within a matter of minutes or hours, anyway.

You're forgetting one little thing. Freeware developers rely on tools included with the appropriate SDK to produce addons for FS9 & FSX. Now, supposing the Flight SDK is restricted to approved developers who pay for the privilege, only they will be able to use it.

Then there is still FSX, FS9... Besides, I really don't think MS marketing is so stupid that they would intentionally shut out one of the main reason people still buy FSX, or FS9, or even older versions.

Time will tell. We'll see who's right when it's released. Wink

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In the meantime, it's all pure supposition based on the deliberately vague comments posted on the MS Flight website.
For example:
Q: How does Games for Windows – LIVE factor in?

A: Games for Windows – LIVE introduces a new level of connectivity to virtual flight, enhancing both the social and game play experiences of the title. Content is updated virtually. You can fly solo or join an entire global flight community online. You can easily connect with and facilitate flight experiences with your friends. The addition of Games for Windows - LIVE creates an ubiquitous virtual world of flight that offers easy and engaging access to the magic of flight for all.

You can read into that whatever you like. Games for Windows® Marketplace

Yup Hagar, that little quote you gave is worthy of the best polititian. Promise everyone whatever THEY want to read into the comments... but leave "plausible deniability" for use later.

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Reply #23 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:59am

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Do you know what...

..every time I delve deeper into "Flight" I am constantly bombarded with the words; "X-Box"..and "Windows Live for Games"...
I haven't got an "X-Box", and "Windows Live for Games" has not yet been conceived by me, and I doubt if they ever will be, so why cant I just use a simple Windows XP/7 computer and software, to play all my existing Games/Simulators, etc?.
To me, the X-Box, and a Personal Computers, are two entirely different animals, involving entirely different societies!
Chocolate's "FS Host" Server enabled us to communicate with each other in our flight sims, without recourse to Microsoft's X-Box involvement!
It looks as though Microsoft have deliberately excluded any "Flight" coding to enable 3rd-party Servers to enable on-line Multiplayer activity using Windows PC's... Cry

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Reply #24 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:36am

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

Do you know what...

..every time I delve deeper into "Flight" I am constantly bombarded with the words; "X-Box"..and "Windows Live for Games"...
I haven't got an "X-Box", and "Windows Live for Games" has not yet been conceived by me, and I doubt if they ever will be, so why cant I just use a simple Windows XP/7 computer and software, to play all my existing Games/Simulators, etc?.
To me, the X-Box, and a Personal Computers, are two entirely different animals, involving entirely different societies!
Chocolate's "FS Host" Server enabled us to communicate with each other in our flight sims, without recourse to Microsoft's X-Box involvement!
It looks as though Microsoft have deliberately excluded any "Flight" coding to enable 3rd-party Servers to enable on-line Multiplayer activity using Windows PC's... Cry

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Paul... Sad

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Just thank goodness we still have good ol' FSX, and even FS9..

The recycle bin is always hungry for stupid "apps", or Gamulations like Flight..

But from what I have heard, I wouldn't even call flight a "gamulation." its just pure game, with no simulation properties at all...

It would be like calling Battlefield 3 a military simulator... Sure it has realistic weapon models, and it even takes bullet drop into account.. But just because of that (or in Flights case, a realistic flight model) it does not make it a simulator.

I can't beleive there are people STILL arguing that Flight is a simulator!!!

Even FSX and FS9 are just scratching the surface of simulation..

and for a simulator, Flight is a step backwards...

But as someone else has suggested, Flight might bring more people to FSX. Which all in all, that one thing kinda makes it nice... Most people that use FSX, or fs9 won't want to make Flight their primary Game/sim..

But people just getting started with the free "Flight" might want to expand to a whole world of FSX or FS9. Which if anything, will hopefully increase 3rd party designers for the true Flight Simulator series.

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Reply #25 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:39am

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You had me at "Gamulations"! Grin

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Reply #26 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:54am

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Flying Mouse wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 2:15am:

Before I start:

Brandon stated "What I would like to see are pure default comparisons between FSX and Flight. Obviously, if you have Flight DLC content, that is alright to use, as it only adds locations and planes. But adding stuff to FSX that changes the way the sim actually looks isn't a good comparison. "

Seriously, I respect you defending what you like BUT we must compare to what we have NOW and what we can replace it WITH to make an informed decision.

You expecting us to compare a 2006 default to a current to make that choice, when hell we don't even have access to international areas is just insane Angry

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I believe most choose FSX above MS Flight because no MS Flight user can fly in & take a realistic looking screenshot like most FSX users can in FSX.

Therefore one cannot compare FSX with MS Flight.

The one is a game and the other a pure bred & well expanded simulator.

However,

It just shows that Flight, besides that it is a game, cannot offer the visual and realistic experience FSX can offer and NEVER will due to MS intent to avoid 3rd party development.

As for performance, OF COURSE flight will perform all nice and wacky. It has NO AI, NO ATC and it is one tiny bubble you fly in.

Very little in that bubble compared to FSX.

Add all that to Flight and we talk again about performance. Looks like MS's intent to ellude "gamers" that flight is smoother then FSX worked well.

Please do not get me wrong, I would have used flight if it was a simulator and PLEASE do not tell me it is.

NO AI.
NO wider selection of AC.
NO choice of "where to fly"

Quite frankly, products like P3D will likely become the future follow up to FSX.

P.S: Please make it a rule that screenshots of MS Flight may only be posted where we post pictures of OTHER non simulator screenshot posts eg. the likes of COD etc. Roll Eyes

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, but the way you argue with Strategic Retreat ,all these months, No buddy dears to say or post anything bad about MSFT because in this part of the forum feeling uncomfortable because you could show up and argue to Defend MSFT without even know it, I even restrain myself to talk because of you and only Strategic was brave enough to tell you his opinion an at the same time the argue became into fights between you and him ,the way you still hold and idea,to defend when almost every one are disappointed its whats makes me and others to tell you what I say in the preview page

I'm not trying to convince you , you can defend to death anything you want ,what you can't do its dominate the forums like you did and act like a policeman for M$

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Reply #27 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm

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F35LightningII wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:03am:

"Flight" is a simulator full stop.

Truth? Or Blind faith?

I'm inclined to go with the latter.

Now Brandon, you can't be a MS policeman any more. Get yourself out of the poo before you lose too much face.

I don't think any seasoned flight simmer would think Flight was a Sim so why your defending it I don't know.

And before you say, I'm a newbie so I don't know anything, I've been flight simming for 6 years & I'm working on my first aircraft for FSX.

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Reply #28 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

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andy190 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

F35LightningII wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:03am:

"Flight" is a simulator full stop.

Truth? Or Blind faith?

I'm inclined to go with the latter.

Now Brandon, you can't be a MS policeman any more. Get yourself out of the poo before you lose too much face.

I don't think any seasoned flight simmer would think Flight was a Sim so why your defending it I don't know.

And before you say, I'm a newbie so I don't know anything, I've been flight simming for 6 years & I'm working on my first aircraft for FSX.

It isn't a sim,it isn't a game,its inbetween.

Its a game that wants to be a sim.

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Reply #29 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 5:32pm

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jetprop wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

It isn't a sim, it isn't a game, its in between.

Its a game that wants to be a sim.

I'm a Simpson that wants to be a Homer!... Roll Eyes

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