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First stall practice today with my CFI (Read 909 times)
May 12th, 2011 at 1:53pm

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and I'm just looking for a little reassurance, as I'm not too excited about doing stalls. I've watched some youtube videos and they seem to be rather tame, actually, but let's just say I'm not much for roller coasters and such experiences. This is the last thing we have to do before he can solo me.

Any thoughts/comments to ease my trepidation?  Embarrassed
 
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Reply #1 - May 12th, 2011 at 2:56pm

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Stalls are no problem... not like a roller coaster at all.  Just make sure you dont use aileron at all, and if you feel a wing drop, get on the opposite rudder fast.

If your having second thoughts about stalls... you're not going to do well when you start practicing spin recovery.  Wink
 

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Reply #2 - May 12th, 2011 at 3:27pm

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-Crossfire- wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 2:56pm:
Stalls are no problem... not like a roller coaster at all.  Just make sure you dont use aileron at all, and if you feel a wing drop, get on the opposite rudder fast.

If your having second thoughts about stalls... you're not going to do well when you start practicing spin recovery.  Wink


Spin recovery is only taught to CFI's, no? I could be wrong about that.
 
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Reply #3 - May 12th, 2011 at 6:56pm

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Stalls, as taught these days, are almost a non-event.

They CAN be quite interesting and educational, if entered aggressively.. but what you'll like do, is be asked to keep pulling back on the yoke until the horn goes off, followed by a very tame dipping of the nose, and loss of altitude...  and a power-on stall will just end up with a bit more nose-up attitude, when it happens.

As mentioned.. do your wing-leveling by rudder, and don't add power during recovery, until you've pitched down enough for a nose-down attitude.

Now.. if your instructor drags out the old weight-n-balance sheet, and asks you to work up a  "utility" loading plan.. make sure you're strapped in tight..   Cheesy

I did most of my training circa late 1970s.. so I got to do spins (in a Tomahawk)  Shocked

Did spins again (in a Tomahawk) about six years ago...  had a neat experience where spin recovery ended up in a spin in the other direction  Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #4 - May 12th, 2011 at 6:59pm

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OH.. and when it's all said and done..  license in hand, all the pressure off...  go find an instructor who will teach you spin recovery..  you really shouldn't hold a PPL and be able to take people up, until you've experienced that.
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Reply #5 - May 13th, 2011 at 1:32am

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I actually enjoy roller coasters, so take this with a grain of salt...  Grin

Stalls as I learned them were these very involved exercises, with much angle of attack (particularly the power-on stalls), and a full design-dictated pitch-down to indicate the stall was fully developed. Fun for me, but not everybody, and when it really matters (base to final, or while low and slow trying to show your buddy his house from the air), you'll be dead before you see that.

What's more important is to recognize incipient stalls, and recover from them before they develop fully.
Brett is right, in that you should know how to get out of real trouble, because you might someday get stalled while crossed-up before you realize it... but usually the killer is when a pilot almost gets the wing stalled, and as they sit there wondering how this can be when they're not really stalled, the bottom drops out and down they go.

I've had a couple of breakthroughs with stalls: first, when one of my primary CFIs said (about power-on stalls) "just put your feet on the horizon and hold it there", which really helped me understand when the critical moment was at hand, and during my PP-glider training, when my CFI had me stall and recover while in a steep turn (thermaling): "buffet, recover, buffet, recover". I had never done that before, and it was a revelation... "you mean I can recover from an accelerated stall without leveling the wings? Wow!!"
When you think about it, you're not likely to stall the wing in a turn unless you really need to be turning... a "full recovery", wings level and all that, doesn't make sense in that scenario.


I'm not saying that doing it "by the book" is not useful, but until you are comfy pushing the airplane right to the brink and taking it back immediately, you will not be safe from stalls.

If it makes you uneasy, chances are you just haven't done a practice stall all by yourself in a way that made you feel you had a handle on it. When someone else shows you, it's just not the same. Stick with it, and remember you have the power to stop it, and you should do fine.

 

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Reply #6 - May 13th, 2011 at 6:46am

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first, when one of my primary CFIs said (about power-on stalls) "just put your feet on the horizon and hold it there


This is an excellent technique...  The problem with stall training, is that most new pilots need to be "pushed" into a stall..  The instructor let's them approach it gradually, and either lets that tame stall be the lesson, or has to literally "take" the yoke, because the student's reflexes keep them from continuing to pull-back, especially as the horn starts blaring.

"Feet on the horizon" will bring the stall on very distinctly (kinda what I meant by aggressive entry)(be leary when he uses this time to revisit "utility loading")..

My moment of revelation happened after I exceeded 30-degrees of bank turning base-to-final.. he said, "my airplane", and immediately called a go-around, and took us up to a safe altitude... had me do a continuous, steep-turn at approach speed, and then pulled power to idle, asking me to hold altitude..  It didn't take long for the accelerated stall to ensue, and it comes on quickly. But still, it wasn't that big a deal (I thought), until he pointed out how much altitude we lost.. well over 1000 feet before control was regained.  Shocked

So.. next time you're tempted to push that bank-angle during a turn to final.. imagine what happens when stall-speed, and approach-speed become very close to each other, and the wind shifts by a net headwind of even only 5 knots  Huh   ..  It has killed many an experienced pilot  Cry
 
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