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Jul 17th, 2010 at 5:07pm

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It was time to replace the cracking plastic radiator fan on the Mustang... I'd noticed that the old one had actually had the tips carved to clear the fan shroud, because it was too low, and would be hitting the shroud.

Didn't occur to me at first that the motor mounts might be worn, but when I checked, it was clear that they would also need to be changed. The engine was sitting over an inch too low, especially on the passenger side, where the rubber part of the mount was completely torn up.
While I was at it, I figured I'd replace the transmission mount as well... glad I did, because when I took the old one out, it was in sorry shape.

Got the parts, and managed to get the job done in about 5 hours, in the parking lot here at the loft... with two jack stands, a bottle jack, and my buddy Stevie Z. helping out. Amazing how much faster you can work when you can stay under there and have someone pass you tools!  Grin

Some of the mount bolts were a huge PITA to remove; even with a lift there would be annoying clearance problems (no room to swing the ratchet handle).

Not having an engine hoist, I put the car on the stands just high enough to get under and loosen the mounts, then used the bottle jack and a hunk of wood to lift the engine up.

Started up and noticed immediately that the old mill doesn't lurch clockwise like it used to... gonna take it on the road this evening and see if there's any improvement in power transfer in general. I love it when I get any car project done in one day, without a shopping trip for parts or tools...   Smiley
 

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Reply #1 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 9:44am

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You can never have enough jacks when doing jobs like this. I had new shock absorbers on my car this month. As it is a BMW, the front had to be done by the garage, but the rear I did my self. Changing them is so easy I could not believe it. I did the left side first. Used the car jack to lift the car and a trolley jack to take the weight of the strut to ease the spring. Worked a treat. Completed the task and moved to the right hand side. Used the same method. Jacked the car using the car jack, removed the wheel and turned around to place the trolley jack. Then came the brown trouser moment. In a 1/4 heart beat the standard car jack was catapulted out and the car dropped onto it's axle. No warning, no creaking noise, no, it looks wobbly, just bang and it was down. That was a mmmmmmmmmmm moment, I was under the car on the other side 5 minutes before. As a general rule I never use/trust the jacks that come with a car and always use a trolley jack, but as I don't have two trolley jacks, a need was a must........

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Reply #2 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 1:47pm

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expat wrote on Jul 18th, 2010 at 9:44am:
You can never have enough jacks when doing jobs like this. I had new shock absorbers on my car this month. As it is a BMW, the front had to be done by the garage, but the rear I did my self. Changing them is so easy I could not believe it. I did the left side first. Used the car jack to lift the car and a trolley jack to take the weight of the strut to ease the spring. Worked a treat. Completed the task and moved to the right hand side. Used the same method. Jacked the car using the car jack, removed the wheel and turned around to place the trolley jack. Then came the brown trouser moment. In a 1/4 heart beat the standard car jack was catapulted out and the car dropped onto it's axle. No warning, no creaking noise, no, it looks wobbly, just bang and it was down. That was a mmmmmmmmmmm moment, I was under the car on the other side 5 minutes before. As a general rule I never use/trust the jacks that come with a car and always use a trolley jack, but as I don't have two trolley jacks, a need was a must........

Matt

Oh, dear...  Undecided
Yes, those jacks that come with the car are for changing tires only, and are usually not well-designed for even that task. I would never put any part of my body under a car supported only by one of those things.

BTW... it is running much more smoothly with fresh rubber all around. Very little torque being wasted now, and it also tends to lurch a lot less in low gears (stock 5-liter Mustang drive train is like a truck; not much fun in stop'n'go traffic).

Very happy, but I will soon double-check to make sure my "that's about right" torqueing of the fasteners was adequate.  Grin

Wanted to install urethane ones, but these were available immediately, and it was a semi-emergency.
 

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Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 9:05am

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Next time you have to do this, use poly replacements for all mounts & bushings, you won't have to replace them for the remainder of your time with the vehicle.

Rubber sucks.  Tongue
 
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Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 4:56pm

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ShaneG wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 9:05am:
Next time you have to do this, use poly replacements for all mounts & bushings, you won't have to replace them for the remainder of your time with the vehicle.

Rubber sucks.  Tongue

I intend to, but it'll have to wait. Time was the critical factor here; the fan was looking like it would let go any minute, and without new mounts, I couldn't replace it. The urethane ones would have taken several days to arrive, and I needed the car on the road Sunday, so...

The rubber mounts will be OK for a while; I'll probably replace them with urethane mounts next spring.
 

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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 5:12pm

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Several days to arrive? 
I thought you lived in the USA?

Huh



Don't they have rednecks Auto Zone there?   Undecided  Cheesy

Here in Indiana, you wait days for new & foreign car parts to arrive, but EVERYTHING for 70's - 90's Camaro & Mustangs is in stock. Wink

Even the parts you'll never need. Lips Sealed

Midwest priorities and all.  Grin


 
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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 4:18pm

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If you want new you have to wait... thats the deal here in europe (unless its something that always breaks, like those stupid light switches in the doors).

In holland you have Brezan and Vink, and Euromaster has bushings but most stuff is imported (like from Powerflex)
 

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Reply #7 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 4:11am

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expat wrote on Jul 18th, 2010 at 9:44am:
You can never have enough jacks...



Are you sure that the "bottle jack" wasn't a "bottle o' jack"??? Well I guess you can't have enough of it, too, when the work is done!  Cheesy
 

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Reply #8 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 6:53pm

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Meck wrote on Aug 18th, 2010 at 4:11am:
expat wrote on Jul 18th, 2010 at 9:44am:
You can never have enough jacks...



Are you sure that the "bottle jack" wasn't a "bottle o' jack"??? Well I guess you can't have enough of it, too, when the work is done!  Cheesy


No, alcoholic beverages are for really big projects, like an engine swap.   Grin
 

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Reply #9 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 7:01pm

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ShaneG wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 5:12pm:
Several days to arrive? 
I thought you lived in the USA?

Huh



Don't they have rednecks Auto Zone there?   Undecided  Cheesy

Here in Indiana, you wait days for new & foreign car parts to arrive, but EVERYTHING for 70's - 90's Camaro & Mustangs is in stock. Wink

Even the parts you'll never need. Lips Sealed

Midwest priorities and all.  Grin



Same is true in my area (for the most part), but really only for OEM stuff or cheap knockoffs, not upgrades like urethane mounts. But I'd guess that the bigger market around here is for rice-burners anyway... little "tuners" greatly outnumber pseudo-muscle cars in this area.

I may have found another retailer nearby that had the mounts in stock, but these guys (a NAPA dealership not quite a mile from home) are my new trusted go-to guys for parts, because the local big-chain dealers near me are a million times worse, in terms of stock and service.  Undecided 

So far, they've been very good to me, helping me replace the alternator and the fan with never more than a days' wait. Good prices, too, and they actually understand what a car is, and how the various parts work together to make it go.  Grin

There used to be an excellent small auto parts store about 2 blocks from my house (very handy when the daily driver is in pieces in the parking lot, LOL)... but, sadly, they closed shop a while back.  Cry
 

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Reply #10 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:35am

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Meck wrote on Aug 18th, 2010 at 4:11am:
expat wrote on Jul 18th, 2010 at 9:44am:
You can never have enough jacks...



Are you sure that the "bottle jack" wasn't a "bottle o' jack"??? Well I guess you can't have enough of it, too, when the work is done!  Cheesy


That Jack was used afterwards...............to calm the nerves and help to close my sphincter!!

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