Simviation Forum - Endorsement Question

Mar 6^th, 2010 at 6:28pm

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Does anyone here know the answer to this question? I had my solo in a Piper Cub 3 years ago on my student license, but let it expire. I recently got my PPSEL and am wondering if that earlier tailwheel endorsement will carry over. It is in my logbook as an instructor writing me off, but was done 3 years before I got my license. Anyone? Huh

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Reply #1 - Mar 6^th, 2010 at 6:42pm

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Back in the days when my license was more than wallet filler, I seem to remember something about currency and ninety days with three landings to a full stop. But that memory is a lot more than three years old

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Reply #2 - Mar 6^th, 2010 at 7:29pm

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That's what you need to take passengers, but in '91 they added that you would need an extra endorsement to fly taildraggers.

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Reply #3 - Mar 6^th, 2010 at 7:51pm

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This is one of those.. "It doesn't really matter" deals.

I'm not gonna dig up the rules, because common sense applies. It wouldn't matter if the endorsement happened after getting your PPL, if it's been three years since you flew one. You're gonna have to get checked out anyway. The guy doing the checking will decide if it's a simple one-hour check-ride.. or if it ends up being the "equivalent" of a brand new endorsement.

As far as listing it as part of your experience.. sure, you have the endorsement. That you got it as a student doesn't matter any less than any instrument time you log as a student. It counts too.

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Reply #4 - Mar 6^th, 2010 at 10:28pm

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§ 61.31 (i)
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...no person may act as pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel airplane...

The tailwheel (as well as complex, high-performance, etc.) is a one-time endorsement. So the one that you received as a student pilot is still valid. However I'd agree with Brett that you should, and will probably be required, to fly with an instructor before going off by yourself again. Taildragger, more so than most other things, is a skill-set that will get rusty very quickly.

You would also be correct on currency. Taildraggers have a specific 90-day, passenger carrying, currency requirement:

§ 61.57 (a)
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The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), and, if the aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a tailwheel, the takeoffs and landings must have been made to a full stop in an airplane with a tailwheel.

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Reply #5 - Mar 6^th, 2010 at 10:39pm

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The fact that you got signed off without even holding a PPASEL is the first clue in figuring this out... Wink

If you have a logbook with the endorsement signed by an instructor, it is good "for life",regardless of anything. That endorsement is the same one given to a PP-holder getting a tailwheel "add-on", as I did. There's no time limit on it, nor is there any flight review requirement specifically for operation of "conventional gear" aircraft.

But that endorsement also does not override any currency requirements relative to your PPASEL (the 90-day rule for carrying pax, BFRs, etc.), nor will it allow you to be turned loose (given the interval simce you last flew a taildragger) without some review in a taildragger that does not belong to you, unless the owner is very naive or very stupid. Grin

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Reply #6 - Mar 7^th, 2010 at 3:09pm

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beaky wrote on Mar 6^th, 2010 at 10:39pm:

The fact that you got signed off without even holding a PPASEL is the first clue in figuring this out... Wink

If you have a logbook with the endorsement signed by an instructor, it is good "for life",regardless of anything. That endorsement is the same one given to a PP-holder getting a tailwheel "add-on", as I did. There's no time limit on it, nor is there any flight review requirement specifically for operation of "conventional gear" aircraft.

But that endorsement also does not override any currency requirements relative to your PPASEL (the 90-day rule for carrying pax, BFRs, etc.), nor will it allow you to be turned loose (given the interval simce you last flew a taildragger) without some review in a taildragger that does not belong to you, unless the owner is very naive or very stupid. Grin

Thanks that clears it up. The taildragger in question belongs to my family, and it hasn't been a long time since I flew a taildragger, just solo.

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