Simviation Forum - Its all propaganda, but

Feb 18^th, 2010 at 4:23am

expat Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!

Gender:
Posts: 8499

One of three Red Army soldiers in a famed 1945 photograph that depicts the Soviet flag being lifted over Berlin's Reichstag has died at age 93, Russian officials said on Wednesday.

Matt

PETA People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #1 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 4:51am

Fozzer Offline
Colonel
An elderly FS 2004 addict!
Hereford. England. EGBS.

Posts: 24861

Excellent read, Matt... Wink

...!

I've saved the Newspaper in my "News" Folder.

As an avid enthusiast, and collector of his films, I was fascinated to read the Werner Herzog article!

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100213-25239.html

Paul.

Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower. Win7 Home Edition, 32 Bit. Intel Pentium 4, dual 2.8 GHz. 2.5GB RAM, nVidia GF 9500GT 1GB. SATA 500GB + 80GB. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Micronet ADSL Modem only. Saitek Cyborg Evo Force. FS 2004 + FSX. Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower...Motor Bikes. Gas Cooker... and lots of musical instruments!.... ...!
Yamaha MO6,MM6,DX7,DX11,DX21,DX100,MK100,EMT10,PSR400,PSS780,Roland GW-8L v2,TR505,Casio MT-205,Korg CX3v2 dual manual,+ Leslie 760,M-Audio Prokeys88,KeyRig,Cubase,Keyfax4,Guitars,Orchestral,Baroque,Renaissance,Medieval Instruments.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #2 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 6:52pm

expat Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!

Gender:
Posts: 8499

Fozzer wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 4:51am:

Excellent read, Matt... Wink

...!

I've saved the Newspaper in my "News" Folder.

As an avid enthusiast, and collector of his films, I was fascinated to read the Werner Herzog article!

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100213-25239.html

Paul.

The Local is on my daily news site list. Although reading the German papers is no problem for me, I find written German to be so flowery that sometimes it is hard to find the actual news story. The Local gets to the point.

Matt

PETA People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #3 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 2:26am

Webb Ex Member
I Like Flight Simulation!

Quote:

The photograph was staged for propaganda purposes and shot after Red Army soldiers had already captured the building, but it nonetheless became an iconic symbol of the Soviet Union's triumphant victory over Nazi Germany.

When photographer Khaldei developed the negatives, he realized that one of the three Soviet soldiers on the roof was wearing two watches, one on each wrist – a clear sign of looting which did not fit with the heroic image of the army.

He scratched the second watch from the negative and it was printed a week later in an illustrated magazine.

Khaldei also added more clouds of smoke in the background and even substituted the original flag with a large one filled with wind.

Here is a Photoshopped picture - not identical but taken within a few seconds. There is no watch on the right wrist and the flag is filled with wind.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #4 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 10:13am

specter177 Offline
Colonel
Check out the Maverick
Flying Car!
I-TEC - X35

Gender:
Posts: 1406

I believe I played that guy in COD 5. Grin

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #5 - Feb 21^st, 2010 at 9:24pm

beaky Offline
Global Moderator
Uhhhh.... yup!
Newark, NJ USA

Gender:
Posts: 14187

specter177 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 10:13am:

I believe I played that guy in COD 5. Grin

"For ourselves... and for Mother Russia...!"

Grin

It's not much more phony than the famous picture of the flag-raising on Iwo Jima... that photo was staged, when a flag was raised to replace the one that was first raised in the heat of combat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #6 - Feb 21^st, 2010 at 11:26pm

Webb Ex Member
I Like Flight Simulation!

Did you read the article? Iwo Jima was not staged.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #7 - Feb 22^nd, 2010 at 10:58am

beaky Offline
Global Moderator
Uhhhh.... yup!
Newark, NJ USA

Gender:
Posts: 14187

WebbPA wrote on Feb 21^st, 2010 at 11:26pm:

Did you read the article? Iwo Jima was not staged.

I did- and I knew already... that came out wrong. "Staged" is not the right word.

My point was that the famous photo does not depict the aftual moment when the mountain was officially claimed by Allied forces (although a nearly-forgotten photo was taken of that flag); it was a second flag raised shortly after.

Back to top

IP Logged

	Search the archive: