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Dec 31st, 2009 at 8:51pm

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Hello  Smiley

Mazza thinks I would like to make some switches for FS9, I mean like 4 or 5 just on-off switches, really cheap  Grin

I know this is possible, but is it really hard and maybe some links to how to build them?



Also I would like some pedals, anyone wanna donate?  Kiss

Or could I make some? (Need something to do for holidays)

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Reply #1 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 8:37am

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I don't know of any builder who builds their own switches.
Buy some at the electronics store.

If you want aircraft accurate pedals you can build those yourself or drop several hundred on an accurate set. That is my spring project for my 727.

If you just want yaw control any old set will do.
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 7:49pm

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No I mean making the switches do something to the Flight sim  Grin Like lights, fuel pumps, gear ect.
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 8:17pm

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Have you considered buying an old/cheap joystick and then taking that apart to make all your buttons? If it has twist rudder then you could look into making a rudder housing and then wire the rudder controls up to that.
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 9:14pm

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machineman9 wrote on Jan 1st, 2010 at 8:17pm:
Have you considered buying an old/cheap joystick and then taking that apart to make all your buttons? If it has twist rudder then you could look into making a rudder housing and then wire the rudder controls up to that.


Where could I find an old joystick? Maybe my mates has some broken ones...
 

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Reply #5 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 10:43pm

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Well Mazza, it's not as simple as you'd like to think it is.
Wiring random switches and buttons is one thing, but how would you make it interface with the computer?
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:22am

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Mazza. Here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU1e-UuUSywThis board is cheap and easy to interface to flightsim. Also, theres Leo's boards http://www.leobodnar.com/which are great also.

Enjoy
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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:34pm

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Thanks for the links, but I have came up with a FREE solution, it wont look THAT great but will work, no LEDS to tell if it's on or off but I don't care

(Still working on it)

I got an Old keyboard, pulled off all the keys I don't wanna use (I left about 20 on it) and basically make a frame around the left keys, simple, cheap and easy  Cheesy
 

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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 6:09pm

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Mazza wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:34pm:
Thanks for the links, but I have came up with a FREE solution, it wont look THAT great but will work, no LEDS to tell if it's on or off but I don't care

(Still working on it)

I got an Old keyboard, pulled off all the keys I don't wanna use (I left about 20 on it) and basically make a frame around the left keys, simple, cheap and easy  Cheesy


Mazza
I had a similar idea  http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1238537369
and it works pretty well.
Be sure to post some pictures when you get it all working  Wink
good luck
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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 7:48pm

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Thanks and I will  Wink
 

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Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:48pm

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That "keyboard hack" is where a lot of people get started down the dark road to the cockpit building abbys!   Wink   Soon you'll want more.   There is no end.  Grin

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Reply #11 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 4:28am

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JBaymore wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:48pm:
That "keyboard hack" is where a lot of people get started down the dark road to the cockpit building abbys!   Wink   Soon you'll want more.   There is no end.  Grin

best,

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Already thinking of ways to put LEDs in it  Grin Grin Grin

I have the stencil done, now for the fun part  Cheesy
 

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Reply #12 - Jan 7th, 2010 at 4:08pm

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Diesel wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:22am:
Mazza. Here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU1e-UuUSywThis board is cheap and easy to interface to flightsim. Also, theres Leo's boards http://www.leobodnar.com/which are great also.

Enjoy
Mike





There does seems to be more than a few options when it comes to choosing one of these joystick or keyboard emulation circuit boards, does anyone have any words of wisdom about which one to choose, or for that matter, not to choose,
-will all of them work with rotary knobs, pushbuttons, and toggles?
-is there any choice that is easier to figure out than the other......(I'm a woodworker not an electronics guy Roll Eyes)
-making a functioning trim wheel is paramount for me, if I make up a wheel and attach it to a rotary pot will I be able to get trim-up one way, and trim down the other way on the rotation of the pot OR should/can this be accomplished assigning an axis??

 
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Reply #13 - Jan 7th, 2010 at 8:52pm

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You can assign an axis.  Best for this is using a multi-turn pot for good sensitivity.  Or using gearing on the trim wheel to the pot connection.

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Reply #14 - Jan 10th, 2010 at 1:00pm

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How difficult is it to dissasemble an old keyboard and use it for a controller......is it fairly obvious once you open it up, or is it just a little circuit board tiny leads that are next impossible to figure out, and I'll need a degree in soldering Wink to connect to them?......or am I better to just spend the 50 bucks on a controller?
 
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Reply #15 - Jan 11th, 2010 at 6:40am

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You're better off spending the money. While wasting time trying to pin out a hacked keyboard, you could already have your switches installed and working using a regular input card.

Leo Bodnar makes one of the best and simplest.
 
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BSW727 wrote on Jan 11th, 2010 at 6:40am:
You're better off spending the money. While wasting time trying to pin out a hacked keyboard, you could already have your switches installed and working using a regular input card.

Leo Bodnar makes one of the best and simplest.


I agree.  The hacked keyboard approach is the "route of last choice".  It you are truly out of money and have one laying around... it is better than nothing.  But it is a pain in the butt to do.  And you end up pretty much limited to momemtary button presses.  So without spending money on some capacitors and such anyway to "fake" things into handling stuff like toggle switches........ you don't have a  much better situation than a keyboard in a new location.

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Reply #17 - Jan 11th, 2010 at 1:44pm

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Thanks guys that is exactly want I was interested in hearing, now are there any limitations on which type of buttons or toggles or dials that can cannot be used with these kind of boards? I'm mostly wondering about toggles, because switches in the game controlled with buttons that (toggle) things off and on, but an actual toggle switch performs either off or on........I hope that makes sense?....assuming my question makes sense  Roll Eyes is there any special requirements when looking for toggles, buttons, dials,  etc?
 
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Reply #18 - Jan 11th, 2010 at 7:37pm

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romflyer,

Look at the stickies at the top of this forum section and explore the ones that are for controller hardware.  Read up on the specs on the hardware and what it handles.

Also start reading older threads here.  There is a LOT of information already in the forum section.  A goldmine actually.

I use Hagstrom keyboard encoders (2 x KE-72) for a lot of simple stuff.  They are bulletproof and flexible items...... but a bit pricey.  Combined with the payware FSUIPC...... you can do a LOT of stuff in the sim.  A KE-72 supports 72 discrete inputs.  I have toggles, momentaries, and rotary switches driving that.  Simple.

I think the Bodnar card will support similar....but is more "basic".

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Reply #19 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 12:35am

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I just came back from holidays so not much was done, but before I left I cut out all the holes, it all fits nicely, I know it's like a (cool) keyboard is a new place, but I wanted to do something this holidays  Grin

Just gotta frame and paint and configure  Cheesy
 

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Reply #20 - Mar 2nd, 2010 at 4:22pm

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If you don't mind spending a little money, Saitek makes a nice switch cluster you could give a look at: http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-PZ55-Flight-Switch-Panel/dp/B001EYU1WS/ref=sr_1_4?i...
 

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Reply #21 - Apr 21st, 2010 at 11:42am

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JBaymore wrote on Jan 11th, 2010 at 7:37pm:
romflyer,

Look at the stickies at the top of this forum section and explore the ones that are for controller hardware.  Read up on the specs on the hardware and what it handles.

Also start reading older threads here.  There is a LOT of information already in the forum section.  A goldmine actually.

I use Hagstrom keyboard encoders (2 x KE-72) for a lot of simple stuff.  They are bulletproof and flexible items...... but a bit pricey.  Combined with the payware FSUIPC...... you can do a LOT of stuff in the sim.  A KE-72 supports 72 discrete inputs.  I have toggles, momentaries, and rotary switches driving that.  Simple.

I think the Bodnar card will support similar....but is more "basic".

best,

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Thanks for the advise and yes I have been looking through many of the older posts to try and decide on good course of action, basically it boils down to bodnar or hagstrom  Undecided one other criteria that I would like to settle before I move further forward.......I want to be able to have a numeric keypad, but I want it to have the numbers from the keyboard....not the numpad, I don't think that Bodnar board will let me do this (it's a game controller) but I think the Hagstrom would allow this (it emulates a keyboard?)
Does anyone have any insight into this question?
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The Hagstom ke73 software assigns its keys via specific keycodes.  So it should be able to do that.  I do not know about the Bodnar card's software.

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Reply #23 - Apr 22nd, 2010 at 10:54am

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JBaymore wrote on Apr 21st, 2010 at 6:48pm:
The Hagstom ke73 software assigns its keys via specific keycodes.  So it should be able to do that.  I do not know about the Bodnar card's software.

best,

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Yes "should" is exactly what I was thinking......I guess when I'm ready to go then I'll just have to contact them and get confirmation.......or I'll be back to the idea of keyboard......dismembering  Cheesy
 
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Hi Guys,
We are using 2x Bodnar cards for 4x throttles, 4x pitch, the usual control surfaces & a bunch of push switches, toggles for flaps etc. Obviously using FSUIPC & can also use toggles. Awesome cards to use..no programming, just allocate assignments & off you go. We are using slider & rotary pots that can all be calibrated via FSUIPC.

BTW, this is a Schackleton sim, with actual seats, yoke, quadrant & canopy. All on a trailer! You can use a numeric keypad. Buy one (USB) & use FSUIPC & reassign keys, or make yr own with push buttons (connect buttons to bodnar card) & allocate via FSUIPC that allows for much more setting. Before all this, we used a 2nd USB keyboard & just remapped the keys we wanted & labled them. The Bodnar card allows for either 20 or 32 (cannot remember) buttons.
 
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Service re the Bodnar cards is awesome. Ordered via Paypal & got them 10 days later sent to Cape Town, South Africa. The sim sees the cards as joystick controllers. No programming, just  connect pots, switches etc, assign & calibrate.
 
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We did try the cheap route by stripping an old joystick & soldering leads onto the circuit board to push switches. A pain but it worked for a while. Very messy with spider webs of wires. So we went the Bodnar route- 2x BUO836x cards. Great to use with push buttons for connectivity. See their site.
 
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When I (if ever) start bulding my sim console (mainly a left-hand base with buttons to hold the throttle and stuff) I plan on using an Arduino board... it costs about the same as a regular controller, but every pin can be programmed to be either input or output (possibly even both, not sure)... Since it's all programmable (from a pin read/write level), you could make any sort of buttons, toggles and whatnot... even weird stuff like hard-built input combos (like hold this then press that while stepping on that other thing to make something happen)... the possibilities are endless  Cheesy

It doesn't have too many pins though, 6 analog, 8 digital and 6 more pulse width modulation if I remember correctly, but you can connect more than one board (no idea how that works, I've only used one once)... but people are apparently doing all sorts of crazy stuff with this thing... and the possibility of having LEDs that come on when the landing gear comes down or a blinking LED for stall warnings and stuff, and that being controlled by the same board that reads your switches... man... it sure does sound sweet (EDIT: speaking of sounding sweet, I was just reading about it, and you can even attach a speaker to it to buzz you if you do something wrong)  Cheesy

Of course... I would first need to have the time for such a venture... which judging from how things are going, might very well be after my retirement (in about 40 years)  Tongue... (I guess the arduino won't be so hot then... might feel a little outdated when playing SpaceSim 2050 with a The Matrix style spine plug  Grin Grin )... but I might win the lottery someday so it's good to have plans  Wink

This post may have sounded a bit like a plug (no pun intended)... sorry about that... I'm not trying to advertise Arduino or anythingof the sort... I'm just excited about the possible uses of it for sim pits now that I got to know it.

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