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Nov 16th, 2009 at 11:16pm

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Things seem a little slow in this forum, but that's understandable since this isn't a builders site. I enjoy reading and responding to many of the topics here and like it very much here. Especially the Real Aviation and Aircraft forums.

Here's a little something I put together over the last five years in this hobby. I get a lot of enjoyment from this 727 and it's as close as I'll ever come to sitting in one again.

This is a Lufthansa 727-230, D-ABHI, that was retired or sold long ago. I don't know if it is the exact Lufthansa configuration, but it's close enough for me.


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I uploaded for you, but I had to leave a few as links to keep from going over the 600k thread limit.  These are too nice to not be here.  Wink

Thanks again for sharing them.

-Shane




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Reply #1 - Nov 17th, 2009 at 10:41am

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Shocked Sweet setup you've got there! Cheesy
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 17th, 2009 at 10:57am

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Shocked Shocked WOW Shocked Shocked

Can you give some detail about how you went about it, building, parts, $$$$$ and time scale?

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Reply #3 - Nov 17th, 2009 at 11:22am

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It was an accident. Grin

I started with a couple of panels I built for the desktop and that led to an overhead. Then I wanted a throttle so I built that. Not being satisfied, I built the control stand to mount it on. Then I wanted a yoke to ditch the desktop toys.

Then I needed a chair...

And I got tired of looking at a 19" monitor so I needed an instrument panel...you can see where it led.

This whole this has snowballed over the last five years. I had never intended to build a flight simulator. What I mean is, I didn't sit down one day and say, Yep, I'm gonna build a 727 flight simulator.

After installing the instrument panel I knew it was too late to turn back so I built the rest of it. It's only a 3/4 shell though as there is a chimney in the way of the FO's side.

Most of the home-made panels have been replaced with Boeing made or contracted panels in the overhead, forward equipment rack and center control stand. The instrument panel and yoke is from a retired 727.

I guess I have around $7K including computers and monitors. Maybe more, maybe less. I'd really rather not know.

Four computers run the simulator and all of the monitors. It's interfaced using input cards from several vendors and FSUIPC.
 
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Reply #4 - Nov 17th, 2009 at 12:02pm

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SHEESH!!!!...all I got to say if you didnt have the monitors there and never said that it was a home built thing I would have thought it was a real aircraft that you owned...nice work, I definatly am wanting to try and built a pit of my own...just dont now where the best route to start with is...plus I still need to figure what types of planes im gonna be using with it...hehe


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Reply #5 - Nov 17th, 2009 at 6:51pm

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Good lord man!!  Shocked Shocked Shocked

Outstanding work on this! You say you made that throttle?  Shocked

Wait till John sees this!  Grin  Wink



As real as it gets indeed.  Cool

 
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Reply #6 - Nov 17th, 2009 at 6:56pm

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Yep, every piece except the knobs, go-around paddles, and Korry indicators.

A friend of mine turned the knobs from Delrin on a lathe.
 
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Reply #7 - Nov 17th, 2009 at 7:06pm

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Impressive to the max.  Cool


How much of it is functional in the sim?
 
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Reply #8 - Nov 17th, 2009 at 7:20pm

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It would be easier to list what is not.

Flight Recorder
CVR
WX Radar (coming soon)
Trip Encoder
Comm Radios (coming soon)
Transponder  (coming soon)
Flap position indicators (never happen, monitor obstruction)
Stall Warning Test (works, disabled)
GPWS Test
Flight Control Position Test (working, disabled)
Passenger Address System
AP Servo Elevator System Select
O2 System (maybe coming soon)
Pnuematic Brake
Instrument Comparitor (right side of cockpit is missing)
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 8:11am

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BSW727,

Welcome to the pit builders section of SimV.  Can't wait to see what the verbage is talking about.

Photos are not loading today... so I can't take a look now....... but I'll be back.  Wink

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PS:  Aha.... the photos are on a Phtobucket account.  BSW....... can you please upload them to the SimV server?
 

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Reply #10 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 9:01am

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Let me know if you've had a look at them yet. I'm going to remove them at the end of the day.

I have re-sized them and attempted to upload them to this server, but the resolution is still making them three to four times the byte size allowed.

Reducing to smaller size looses too much detail. I'd just as soon remove them to comply with the rules.
 
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Reply #11 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 9:52am

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Wow

That's a cool cockpit!  Nice work.
 

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Reply #12 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 10:39am

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BSW727 wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 9:01am:
Let me know if you've had a look at them yet. I'm going to remove them at the end of the day.

I have re-sized them and attempted to upload them to this server, but the resolution is still making them three to four times the byte size allowed.

Reducing to smaller size looses too much detail. I'd just as soon remove them to comply with the rules.



Problem solved.  Wink    ^ ^ ^
 
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Reply #13 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 11:47am

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BSW727 wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 9:01am:
Let me know if you've had a look at them yet. I'm going to remove them at the end of the day.

I have re-sized them and attempted to upload them to this server, but the resolution is still making them three to four times the byte size allowed.

Reducing to smaller size looses too much detail. I'd just as soon remove them to comply with the rules.



Yea I have a few images I wanna upload real bad but every time i reduce the size and try to upload I get one or more of the mentioned issues (IE loss of quality or size limit exceeded) and i've done just about every thing i can think of in short of saving in a different format which also tends to loose the quality Sad
 

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Reply #14 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 12:29pm

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jaime wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 11:47am:
BSW727 wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 9:01am:
Let me know if you've had a look at them yet. I'm going to remove them at the end of the day.

I have re-sized them and attempted to upload them to this server, but the resolution is still making them three to four times the byte size allowed.

Reducing to smaller size looses too much detail. I'd just as soon remove them to comply with the rules.



Yea I have a few images I wanna upload real bad but every time i reduce the size and try to upload I get one or more of the mentioned issues (IE loss of quality or size limit exceeded) and i've done just about every thing i can think of in short of saving in a different format which also tends to loose the quality Sad

The rules are the same for everyone. Most of BSW727's images were actually within forum limits.
 

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Reply #15 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 12:53pm

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All I did was compress them to 150 or nearest, and upload them here. I didn't have to do any resizing to them.  Wink

8 pics at 150kb was a bit much though.
 
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ShaneG wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 12:53pm:
All I did was compress them to 150 or nearest, and upload them here. I didn't have to do any resizing to them.  Wink

8 pics at 150kb was a bit much though.

Shame you compressed the shot of the throttle quadrant. The quality has suffered terribly. A link to the original at Photobucket would have been fine.
 

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Reply #17 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 1:11pm

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Hagar wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 1:02pm:
ShaneG wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 12:53pm:
All I did was compress them to 150 or nearest, and upload them here. I didn't have to do any resizing to them.  Wink

8 pics at 150kb was a bit much though.

Shame you compressed the shot of the throttle quadrant. The quality has suffered terribly. A link to the original at Photobucket would have been fine.



You really think so?  Huh

I compared them side by side and didn't think they looked too terribly different.  But then again, they did lose a couple hundred thousand kb apiece, so there's going to be a bit of degradation.  Hopefully someday in the future, that 150kb limit can go up a little.  Wink
 
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Reply #18 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 1:14pm

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i just may do direct links to photobucket for my images...since I like to show off my repaints but dont want to loose the quality of the image...I dont know, may try to reduce the size though...
 

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Reply #19 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 1:14pm

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Thanks for fixing the photos.  Wink
 
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Reply #20 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 1:21pm

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ShaneG wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 1:11pm:
Hagar wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 1:02pm:
ShaneG wrote on Nov 18th, 2009 at 12:53pm:
All I did was compress them to 150 or nearest, and upload them here. I didn't have to do any resizing to them.  Wink

8 pics at 150kb was a bit much though.

Shame you compressed the shot of the throttle quadrant. The quality has suffered terribly. A link to the original at Photobucket would have been fine.



You really think so?  Huh

I compared them side by side and didn't think they looked too terribly different.  But then again, they did lose a couple hundred thousand kb apiece, so there's going to be a bit of degradation. 

Yes I do. I noticed a couple of those shots were much larger files than the others. Compressing them would obviously affect the quality. Pity I didn't think to download the originals or I could show you what I mean. Perhaps BSW727 can post the links to them.

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Hopefully someday in the future, that 150kb limit can go up a little.  Wink

Unless it goes up considerably I'm not sure it will make much difference. Most people seem to adapt to the rules without too many problems.

This has gone way off-topic & in danger of taking credit away from BSW727's excellent work. I think it's the most realistic simpit I've ever seen. Cool
 

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Reply #21 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 5:16pm

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I thought it was an actual cockpit that he said he bought and turned into a sim when I skimmed over it... lol I'ts just amazing.

This is as close as it gets until... well... you get the real deal sims like that the military or corporate pilots train at. This is awesome!
 

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Reply #22 - Nov 18th, 2009 at 7:01pm

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Thanks! Most of it is real parts except for the shell. One piece of trim and the #4 eyebrow window is real.

This is what I use to fly it. PMDG has nothing on this.

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Nice!

You do like the flight checklists and stuff like back in the airline then?
 

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I use the quick checklists provided on a card with the manual. Most of the yellow manual is flight planning and performance tables and charts. The first flight of the day checklist is by far the longest. I don't run that one much unless I have a lot of time and a second pilot.

The bottom two are training manuals for the aircraft. You could literally pass your FE exam with these two books.
 
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Very nice work!!  Shocked
 

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Reply #26 - Nov 19th, 2009 at 9:16am

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Thanks Rot. I had a nice flight into Linz yesterday and was following the STAR into the airport and then joined the localizer for 09.

Had everything dialed in correctly and was on speed and configured and never did get the GS to start my descent. I knew something was amiss somewhere so I paused the sim and brought up the FS chart to compare against my paper charts.

No GS on that end in FS! Localizer approach! Damn!  Shocked

Called the miss as I couldn't get it down safely fast enough and did a procedure turn using LNZ for the other end. I would have landed mid-field + on a 9,000' strip. I didn't feel too comfortable with that.

Need to start checking these real-world charts against the deficiencies in FS.  Grin
 
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Stunning piece of work there BSW727!!!!!

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BSW727 wrote on Nov 19th, 2009 at 9:16am:
Thanks Rot. I had a nice flight into Linz yesterday and was following the STAR into the airport and then joined the localizer for 09.

Had everything dialed in correctly and was on speed and configured and never did get the GS to start my descent. I knew something was amiss somewhere so I paused the sim and brought up the FS chart to compare against my paper charts.

No GS on that end in FS! Localizer approach! Damn!  Shocked

Called the miss as I couldn't get it down safely fast enough and did a procedure turn using LNZ for the other end. I would have landed mid-field + on a 9,000' strip. I didn't feel too comfortable with that.

Need to start checking these real-world charts against the deficiencies in FS.  Grin

Which 727 do you use for this? Captain Sim 727 or HJG?
 

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Reply #29 - Nov 22nd, 2009 at 9:09am

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Neither one.

This is the Dreamfleet 727. Engine guages though, are by Richard Probst. The Dreamfleet engine stack would not integrate correctly into the panel file because of the way that it was coded.
 
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That's an amazing set up... I can't imagine what your electricity bill must be like.  Grin
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Reply #31 - Jan 23rd, 2010 at 5:13pm

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Grin

Well I know it doesn't draw 20 amps when the whole thing is fired up. The sim room is on a circuit by itself and so far so good.

Four computers, six power supplies, seven monitors, 200 watt amp, 100 watt sub, and so far no smoke.  Shocked
 
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Wow this is one nice cockpit if they started flying the 727 again (maybe with new engine and fly-by-wire system) you can train the pilots heheh
 
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