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The Fall of the Wall (Read 1302 times)
Nov 9th, 2009 at 1:12pm
SeanTK   Ex Member

 
Today, November 9th, 2009.....20 years since the Berlin Wall "officially" fell
Thoughts? Did any one here experience this event or pay attention to the news when it was happening in '89?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8349742.stm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33784429/ns/world_news-fall_of_the_berlin_wall_20_ye...

http://www.france24.com/en/20091109-world-leaders-gather-mark-fall-berlin-wall?a...

http://www.dw-world.de/english


 
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Reply #1 - Nov 9th, 2009 at 3:22pm

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"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

President Ronald Reagan, June 12, 1987
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Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:11am

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I was in a previous life that involved a blue suit stationed in Germany when the wall came down. I remember watching it live on TV. A while later we went to town and it was like New Year without he fireworks. The jubilation was soon to pass with the introduction of "solidarity tax" a tax on every earning person in West Germany. Kohl said it would only be for a year to get the East back on it's feet...............we are still paying it 20 years later.

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Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:40am

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Wow.  A 5.5% income tax increase for the last 20 years.  I'd be pissed off too.

Especially since like all taxes there is no indication that it's being used for its intended purpose, that it is actually accomplishing its intended purpose, and that it will ever end.
 
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Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 4:34am

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Did any one here experience this event or pay attention to the news when it was happening in '89?

Unless they were marooned on a desert island it would have been difficult for anyone alive at the time to avoid the constant news coverage.  I think it was obvious to anyone giving it some thought that it would create as many problems as it solved.
 

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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:16pm

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By no coincidence, PBS WPBT, Ch2 Miami, aired a most interesting documentary last night entitled "How the Beatles Rocked the Kremlin."

I had no idea.  Google the title.  Very eye-opening part of 'Underground History'.

"It's both an enlightening and inordinately fun look at how the Beatles' influence might actually have been more significant within the Soviet Union than the west."

After seeing the documentary, I would tend to agree. 

In short, the younger Soviet generation back then wanted the same freedom and everything else that came with it that we had here in the West, and the Beatles provided a focal point and underground communication process with which to slowly gravitate toward that goal.  The Beatles may have been more silently popular in the former Soviet Union than they were openly popular in the West.  Statistically anyway, from the number of tribute bands and bootleg albums that popped up 'Back in the U.S.S.R.' back then.
 
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Reply #6 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 4:19pm

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Apex wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:16pm:
By no coincidence, PBS WPBT, Ch2 Miami, aired a most interesting documentary last night entitled "How the Beatles Rocked the Kremlin."

I had no idea.  Google the title.  Very eye-opening part of 'Underground History'.

That documentary was made by the BBC. I would have watched it if I'd known about it.

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The Beatles may have been more silently popular in the former Soviet Union than they were openly popular in the West. 

I don't see how that's possible.
 

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Reply #7 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 4:41pm

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"The West" have a very annoying habit of trying to "Democratise" the rest of the World, often with predictably unfortunate (to some of us enlightened Folks) results!... Wink....!

Many East Germans, etc, yearn for the "Old" system, which guaranteed jobs, security, and stability for all... Wink...!

Much of the instability in various parts of the World can be blamed on the "West", for its interference in its internal affairs!.... Wink...!

Paul... Wink...!

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Reply #8 - Nov 11th, 2009 at 12:44pm

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Hagar wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 4:34am:
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Did any one here experience this event or pay attention to the news when it was happening in '89?

Unless they were marooned on a desert island it would have been difficult for anyone alive at the time to avoid the constant news coverage. 


I was three in '89, so I didn't exactly care at the time.... Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 11th, 2009 at 10:34pm

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The Berlin Wall was Richard Burton and Claire Bloom and I still think, what a waste  Smiley.
 

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Reply #10 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 8:40am

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BFMF wrote on Nov 11th, 2009 at 12:44pm:
I was three in '89, so I didn't exactly care at the time.... Grin
But to those who did take note, it was like more than a ton of bricks!



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Reply #11 - Nov 16th, 2009 at 2:17pm

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I've seen the tv stuff with the digger hammering on the top of the wall...

Girlfriend claims she never saw it on tv...
 

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