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Mar 29th, 2004 at 7:03pm

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I found out something quite interesting today.  Apparently we had a King Louis around 1280 something .  He was never crowned but was recognised by the Barons as King.  He was summarily evicted by King John and the pope after about 11 months.

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Reply #1 - Mar 30th, 2004 at 6:48am

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Who's "we"  ??
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 30th, 2004 at 7:37am

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The royal "we". The inhabitants of England. Wink
Not Scotland though, by that time they had their own monarch. Smiley
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 30th, 2004 at 10:09am

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The royal "we". The inhabitants of England. Wink
Not Scotland though, by that time they had their own monarch. Smiley


I thought so, but it's always nice to remember that not all folk trace our roots to England...Smiley

THen again, there was George I, Louis of Hanover...
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 30th, 2004 at 8:13pm

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I didn't forget that Felix, if I had been referring to any country but my own I would have written "The (insert country)".  To me writing "The English" would have felt odd and I thought most folks around here know where I'm from.  Funny old world but there you have it.  It's true about the Louis by the way.

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Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 9:32am

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I think the reason we've never heard of this King Louis before is because King John was still alive when he was proclaimed king by the barons, he was never crowned and within a year King John had got the throne back. And as there can't be two kings in one country, and as King John came out on top, Louis I was simply forgotten about.
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 9:46am

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Plus the fact he was slightly French, we happened to be at war with them at the time.  It seems it was another invasion LOL.
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 3:12pm

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Plus the fact he was slightly French, we happened to be at war with them at the time.  It seems it was another invasion LOL.


Well, let's consider - Richard  (Coeur de Leon) - in his ten year reign of England, spent the grand total of six months(?) in England.  The rest of his reign was spent either sightseeing in Palestine, captured in Germany (two years), and fighting the French in HIS domains in Acquitaine (i.e. France).  For an English king, he was quite French.

 
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Reply #8 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 3:45pm

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Plus the fact he was slightly French, we happened to be at war with them at the time.  It seems it was another invasion LOL.

I wouldn't quite call it an invasion. The word invasion would lead me to suggest that he uninvitedly came to england and took the throne. As he was invited by the Barons I don't think it quite fits the word invasion... Smiley
 
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Reply #9 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 6:37am

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Yeah, Felix has it sussed.  It wasn't until Richard II that England really became "Real"  We had a brief turn at running the place until James I (VI Scotland) took over, then after the Scots we had the House of Orange (Dutch) then the House of Hanover (German) and finally the Sax Coburgs (German again) although they did change their name to Windsor to prevent being lynched.

Who am I kidding here.... LMAO
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 11:04am

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I would like to point out at this point that England still does not have its own monach.
The correct title for the Queen is "Queen Elizbeth Queen of Scots and the second of England". A fact that the Scots forget is that James VI (first of England) did, infact,  move his court from Edinburgh to London. Had he not then Edinburgh would have become the Capital City of a United Kingdom.

Tis amazing what you learn when you live with a historian for 6 years  Wink Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 11:15am

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The English version would be Queen Elizabeth II, I of Scotland.  Under the Act of Union (17--??) I believe the English throne holds precedence over the Scots.

Geeze this could easily turn into a flaming session between the English members and the Scotish members. Smiley

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Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 11:53am

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Aye. But if we're lucky they might not spot it. Grin

I doubt it will turn bad. Crazycraig hates the monarchy, so I doubt he cares, Whitey doesn't venture onto the boards often these days and I've forgotten who our other scottish members are... Smiley
 
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Reply #13 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 12:30pm

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The English version would be Queen Elizabeth II, I of Scotland.  Under the Act of Union (17--??) I believe the English throne holds precedence over the Scots.

Geeze this could easily turn into a flaming session between the English members and the Scotish members. Smiley

Will


I hope it doesnt become flamable .... I'm English but I made my home in Scotland for 13 years (It's still my spiritual home)
I was of the understanding that when James ceeded (i think thats the right spelling Roll Eyes and the right word. ) the throne  he was still in Edinburgh he could have chosen to stay there .... however the most influencial people of the time where based in London .... and therefore James moved the Scottish court. He did have the power to bring the English court up to Edinburgh.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Reply #14 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 12:35pm

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As far as I'm aware you are spot on with the James and the Giant Capital bit.  I am no expert on this however so we may be agreeing in ignorance LOL.

My point was that the Queen is Queen first of England, then of Scotland as the precedent was set in the act of union some 100 odd years after the death of James.

Added to this is the fact that many Scots don't accept the Sovereignty of the English monarchy.  The whole debate is (IMHO) moot.

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