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Is the default 737 modeled well? (Read 2315 times)

Feb 19^th, 2004 at 5:33pm

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How are the flight characteristics of the default 737 compared to a real life one? I'm just interested to know how realistic it is to fly these default commercial airplanes that MS puts in, this is with all realism and settings to hard. And are there any updates to the flight dynamics of the 737 and king air? So far I've only found them for the 747

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Reply #1 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 7:18pm

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Are the 737-400 flight dynamics well modelled?

NO.

AS a 737-fanatic I have lots of 737 performance charts, and quite frankly, the default 737-400 is not close to the figures of the real one.
The engines still responds too fast, air bleeds of too easy (hey why need speedbrakes on the default 737 Roll Eyes

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Taxiing is also not realistic. On a real 737 can taxi the thing on very little thrust, on most cases idle thrust is enough once you get moving. Try that with the stock 737-400.

I find very little joy in flying that thing...no APU, no IRS, no FMC, no autoland. pitch trim is too violent etc. What's the realism with that? Microsoft dares to call that thing "as realistic it get", which is in my opinion VERY misleading...

There you go, you asked for opinions and you got one

That's why I prefer payware over freeware btw. I don't really care much about the visual model, but I want my nav - and computer systems up and running, or else I'd might aswell take the cessna out for a spin Wink

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Reply #2 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 7:46pm

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I wouldn't be too critical about flight characteristics of COF aircraft. No one should expect 737 flight simulator accuracy used by airlines in a $50 software and (maybe) a $1,500 computer.
The GMax flight model cannot accurately represent each aircraft. It is a standard aero model modified by characteristics of each aircraft. Not the same as the real deal sims.
Having said that, no one seems to notice that the Cessna 182S struggles to 7k and if of great patience may make 10k. Cessna would not have a market for a $200k aircraft with such abysmal performance. According to Cessna, service ceiling is 18k.
To put a number on what the sim represents, my opinion, about 40 percent.

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Reply #3 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 8:25pm

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Sorry if I message came out in a rude way...had a rough day at work (as always Grin

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Of course you can't demand 100% accuracy from a simple desktop simulator, but Microsoft should still change their slogan Wink

Interesting thing about the cessna though, which is a pretty good model in the sim I think?

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Reply #4 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 9:00pm

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There are other 737's and airfiles. Some good ones from what I've read. A thorough search, and I'm sure you can find what you're after. I downloaded a replacement airfile pack when I first got the sim. I'm not sure where from now.

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Reply #5 - Feb 23^rd, 2004 at 12:17pm

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Here is an air file editor:

http://members.dsl-only.net/~eagle/

AirEd is the name and it reads the COF air file.

Problem is, no one is going to make basic aero adjustments in the air file. Because you cannot.

We are stuck with the basic GMax model. Generally, adjustments are made in the Cfg file each aircraft. The adjustments that matter for the 182S climb performance are induced and parasite drag given that engine/prop modeling is correct.

Has anyone sim tested to see if the C182S add in's perform better than the stock versions? If so provide some factual data.

I find a similar issue in 3US P47 where USAAF and Republic test data are available. The fighter doesn't come close to climb specs. Hence it's poor dogfight performance.

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