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A few random light aircraft (Read 2704 times)
Nov 19
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I've been looking through a few photos I've taken with my new camera. Here's a few I don't remember posting before. I took them at Shoreham Airport in mid-August when I was trying the camera out ready for the RAFA show. The place was busier than usual with local traffic, visitors & display aircraft using Shoreham as a base during the "Airbourne" event at nearby Eastbourne.
See if you recognise these. No cheating.
No prizes for this one. It's a local Chipmunk. I did a lot of flying in these in the late 50s. The good old Chippie was always one of my favourites.
The Patrouille REVA. This pair of young French pilots put on an impressive display of precision formation flying in their Rutan aircraft. I'm not sure but think these are the VariEze.
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Nov 19
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That chippie is the one Southern Flight used to won isn't it? Where did they put it?
Nice pics but I don't recognize many of them.
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nice pics Hagar
although chipmunks really nothing special, to me at least,
seeing god knows how many of them each and every day for 7 years, kind became nothing special:) although iw oudl lvoe chance to actually fly one, one day
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That chippie is the one Southern Flight used to won isn't it? Where did they put it?
Hi Pete. The Chippie is based at Shoreham but I have no idea of the civil registration or who owns it. I think you can have a flight in it if you wish. I might take one some time for old time's sake. I often fancied a trip in the local Harvard. Whichever one I choose it will have to wait until Spring now.
PS. Craig. I sometimes think some people have no soul. I bet your opinion would be somewhat different if it was a DC-10 you saw every day.
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Nice pics Doug, you got me beat!
Thanks. I'll give it a little longer before enlightning you. The PA-38 Tomahawk G-BTJL is operated by one of the local clubs. I knew its designer Grahame Gates when I first started at Shoreham in the early 60s. He worked in the Beagle Aircraft design office before being snapped up by Piper Aircraft when they went to the wall. Grahame was an extremely talented & pleasant man, also a keen member of the local model club. I believe he is now back in England.
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Name: Grahame K Gates
I worked at the Training School, Philips & Powis, later Miles Aircraft, Woodley from October 1942 to March 1943. Becoming a weights engineer (Stress Office) from March 1943 to January 1947. Then to aerodynamics, wind tunnel for January to September 1947. Later, from September 1947 to early 1948 as a weights engineer/stressman again. Moving to Airspeed, Christchurch (chief designer, George Miles) as a stressman from late 1949 to late 1951. To F G Miles Ltd, Shoreham as Chief Project Engineer, later Design Manager on the M.218 from late 1951 to early 1962. With Beagle (still at Shoreham) from early 1962 to late 1964. Then came to USA for design jobs at Piper and Aero Commander, later rejoining Piper as Director of Advanced Design. Retired late in 1990. I love aeroplanes and am involved with the organization of Sun'n'Fun fly-in, held at Lakeland, Florida, each April. As you probably know, Don Brown (author of the original book) died about twenty years ago ---- he and I were good friends, he having steered me into Miles when I wrote to FGM (after he gave a talk on BBC in a series called "I Am An Aircraft Designer" and made working on small aircraft sound much more interesting than large ones ---- the previous week had been Avro's chief) asking how to become a designer. So I spent my entire career on small aircraft except when I ws a stressman on the Ambassador ---- then I was a weekend gliding instructor at the local ATC gliding school to balance things up!!
PS. Although it was only a comparatively small company, many talented people worked at Miles (later Beagle) Aircraft.
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lol, its not that i dont like or anything.
But lets face it, when you have to stop a football game every 5 minutes for a landing chipmunk, and in some cases litterally have to run for cover because one was to low, they kinda loose their appeal:)
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lol, its not that i dont like or anything.
But lets face it, when you have to stop a football game every 5 minutes for a landing chipmunk, and in some cases litterally have to run for cover because one was to low, they kinda loose their appeal:)
I would take the aircraft any time. Instead of running for cover I would be ready with my camera. Call me a silly old fool if you like but it seems a tad stupid to me to have a football field that close to a runway. I bet the airfield was there first.
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actually the school was designed into the airfields plans, however it wasnt built till after the second world war. as for the camera, its kind of difficult running up and down a field with a camera, while trying to actually play a game of football:)plus being young at the time picture taking wasnt as important as playing the game, kind of a shame when you think back on it though:)
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you love Chips? here we have a chip-meet every year at a small military base...if you have time i'll give you some coordinates...
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Every week you say? Thanks Bones. I might take up your kind offer. I can't remember where in this world you are now & there's so many places I've never visited. Maybe in the New Year.
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am i going crazy or what, but when i read my earlier post, i'm damn sure i wrote "every YEAR" and not "week"
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am i going crazy or what, but when i read my earlier post, i'm damn sure i wrote "every YEAR" and not "week"
LOL Don't worry, it must be me. I re-read it several times too. Thought every week seemed odd. ???
When is this event?
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i'll look it up
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here you go (i know, i'm faster than light)
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here you go (i know, i'm faster than light)
Thank you kind Sir.
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great shots!
Keep them coming
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great shots!
Keep them coming
Thanks for the encouragement. I might be able to find a few more.
If anyone's interested the first 2 aircraft are listed as an Avid Flyer kitplane & a Bellanca 7ECA Citabria.
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Nice shots. I knew what kind the 1st aircraft was but I can't seem to pull it out of my brain
. And speaking of Chipmunks are there any for FS2002 that are of good quality?
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Hi CHOMP_ROCK. I once found a series of FS2002 Chipmunks posted at Flightsim.com & other sites. Quite frankly I found the visual model disappointing. I made a start on my own FSDS2 Chippie among other light aircraft projects but lost the lot when my HD fried. I lack the enthusiasm to start all over again.
PS. Maybe the ones I mentioned were originally FS2000. My memory gets worse every day.
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My 2 main recollections of flying in a Chipmunk...
1) The back of my instructor's head (F/O Baldock)...
2) The view of my lap during my first ever loop...
Those were the days...
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My 2 main recollections of flying in a Chipmunk...
1) The back of my instructor's head (F/O Baldock)...
2) The view of my lap during my first ever loop...
Those were the days...
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That's strange. We always flew in the front seat of the Chipmunk. Back seat in the Tiger Moth.
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That second one looks a lot like its a Citabria, but i couldn't tell you what model/year...
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that was the way they worked in Middle wallop aswell Hagar.
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that was the way they worked in Middle wallop aswell Hagar.
It's all to do with the centre of gravity. The Tiger Moth is flown solo from the rear seat - of that I'm certain.
AFAIK The Chipmunk is flown solo from the front.
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lol it was always great they worked like that. You could always tell the new guys from the old pilots. The new guys would always lean forward and come in to low. so low you could see the fear in their eyes as they thought they were coming in too low
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In most trainers the instructor sits on the CG or thereabouts. This enables him to get out & the aircraft to be flown solo without using ballast to compensate for his weight. The old Slingsby T.21 gliders had side-by side seating & the instructor was replaced by a sandbag when they were flown solo. The T.31 basic training gliders were tandem seating with the instructor on the CG in the rear seat. The pupil or pilot in the front cockpit had to know his exact weight which was compensated by an adjustable block of cast iron (or maybe lead) on the tail to maintain the longitudinal trim. This was important whether the rear seat was occupied or not.
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Loved the pic of the DHC-1.
Brought back some fond memories.
Had a student who told me he couldn't remember how many shots of primer to give it this particular cold morning.
He was 6'2" at least and 200lbs and built like a wrestler.
I jokingly said OH 20 to 25 times.
He did...we exited the aircraft.....I explained the term STUPIDITY to the Chief Flying Instructor.
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