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Nov 5th, 2003 at 9:42am

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Usually , on Airliners.net you'll find a million different pictures of a British Airways concorde 102. Well, than this must be very UNusual. Grin


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A Singapore Airlines Concorde 102!!!! Shocked, what kind of world are we livin' in? ???
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 10:37am

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Certainly unusual Mike. This demonstrates the constant problems with operating a supersonic passenger service, even landing/taking off & flying the aircraft subsonically over populated areas. Many airlines that would have liked to operate Concorde were prevented from doing so by public opinion or for political reasons. Concorde was briefly operated under a joint agreement between BA & Singapore Airlines back in 1977.
This article explains it. http://www.concordesst.com/history/events/sia.html

PS. I don't quite know what the 102 means. I always referred to the aircraft as Concorde.
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 11:45am

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The number is the version of concorde. Air France operates the Conocrde 101, while BA operates Concorde 102. I don't quite know the difference ???
 
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Reply #3 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 11:56am

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Of course. Silly me. I remember now. Roll Eyes
Concorde 001 (F-WTSS) was the first Concorde prototype to fly on 2nd March 1969 from Toulouse, France. 002 (G-BSST) was the British prototype which followed on 9th April from Filton, Bristol. If the Singapore Airlines aircraft in your photo is the prototype it would be 002 rather than 001.
 

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Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 12:01pm

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Right, but then they were renamed Concorde 101 and than 102. Or something like that Grin
 
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Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 12:04pm

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OK. I'm sure you're correct. I'm no expert on this. Wink
 

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Reply #6 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 12:15pm

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Well, i'm not quite the concorde expert either, lol Grin
That's actaully pretty much all i know aside from the fact the it travels 1,450 mph....hehe Smiley
 
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Reply #7 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 1:27pm

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the four prototyps are named like this: 001,002,003 and 004.

when they started the production, they started numbering like this: 101,102,...

001 is now standing inside the Air and Space museum at Le Bourget airport (Paris). i've been on board of it...it's empty on the inside (only some measurement equipment, no seats). it looked  very small. i have a photo of myself in it, my head against the ceiling and my arms spread with my fingertips almost on both sides of the cabin...very small!  Wink the cabin, very small too, looked amazing!
 

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Reply #8 - Nov 7th, 2003 at 9:13am

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Hmmmmm... Never seen one of those before... ???
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2003 at 4:56pm

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Hmmm, speaking of unusual, here's a supersonic that was in a race using fs2002 back in Feb./Mar. of this year.
Anyone regognize it?
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Reply #10 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 4:42am

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Boeing Sonic Cruiser? ??? It looks alot like it because those canard foreplanes and the delta wing w/winglets... Or is it the Tu-144?
 
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Reply #11 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 9:29am

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Mmmm, nope. Well here's another shot from overhead, and I should add that it's a ficticious craft as is the space shuttle on it's back, though it is based on some real stuff that NASA/ Dryden research have been working on. 8)
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Reply #12 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 10:12am

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The Concorde in the shot is Concorde 102 c/n 210 G-BOAD. It was operated in partnership with BA/SA in 1979. The aircraft had BA colours on the right side and SA colours on the left.


If you are wondering about production numbers and c/n then i'll Try to explain.

As with Boeing and Airbus, each airline has a 2 number code. eg. a BA 747-400 is known to Boeing as a 747-436, where the number 36 is BA's 2 number code.

Now for the confuding bit. All Concordes are -101 models with 200 serial numbers. As AF was the first customer then their concordes were designated type 101 and BA 102. 01 being AF customer number and 02 being BA's.  Pan Am would have been 03 etc

001 - F-WTSS (First prototype)
002 - G-BSST  (Second Prototype)
101 - G-AXDN (Development Aircraft)
102 - F-WTSA (Development Aircraft)
201 - F- WTSB (Pre Production)
202 - G-BBDG (Pre Production)
203 - G-BTSC (first registered F-WTSC)
204 - G-BOAC
205 - F-BVFA
206 - G-BOAA
207 - F- BVFB
208 - G-BOAB
209 - F-BVFC
210 - G-BOAD
211 - F-BVFD
212 - G-BOAE
213 - F-BTSD
214 - G-BOAG
215 - F-BVFF
216 - G-BOAF
 

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Reply #13 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 11:02am

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Aha, I see... very clear. Like the 747-200 is also the 742, right?
 
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Reply #14 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 11:04am

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Quote: Mmmm, nope. Well here's another shot from overhead, and I should add that it's a ficticious craft as is the space shuttle on it's back, though it is based on some real stuff that NASA/ Dryden research have been working on. 




I give up... what kind of aircraft is it?! ???
 
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Reply #15 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 11:30am

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Haha, well i must first appoligize for having even put it in this thread on the Concorde featured, so I'll make the comment on the very unusual and beautiful shot of it.
That is a wonderful craft, and it's cool to see another name on the side than what is the usual. Wink

Now to my unusual craft,......The SST is designated the "SR-75" and was created by a very talented fellow who made several planes for the "Battle of the Airlines 2003" "Mission Moon" I dont remember his real name but he goes by the handle "Ace Lomcevak" (not even sure I spelled the last name right) and he is the head of "Aeroworks" and he makes some pretty cool planes.
This SST was featured in the last stages of the race and the contestants were to transport our shuttle on ths bird to Kennedy Space Center in Florida, where in the next stage the Shuttle would be launched and we would then fly it to the moon & back to land at a facility in Nevada.
I myself didnt place all that high(160th or so out of 500 pilots) but I did manage to finnish and make it to the moon.
Im looking forward to the next race which should be comming up next year(I hope) and am anxious as to what it will be like this time. Im sure that "Race runner Ray" will have something interesting in store for us.
 

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Reply #16 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 11:49am

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So, it's just a fictional FS aircraft? I thought it was based on a real one ???
 
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Reply #17 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 12:37pm

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Yeah, as I said im so sorry for putting it in your thread, I just wasnt looking hard at the category, hehe.
But it is based on some top secret stuff being done at the Dryden Research facility in Califonia, in fact there is a prototype designated the XB-70, an SST which "Ace" based his SR-75 on.
I'll do some research and I think I may even have some photo's of them in my files, but heh, they are so full of stuff it's hard to locate stuff sometimes.
And I'll put them in a thread elsewhere, where it belongs, and again I appoligize for butting in. Wink It was late, and I should have been in bed Grin
 

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Reply #18 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 1:41pm

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   Let me put it this way...there's no law agains accidently putting a non-related thread i a post.

I actually found it quite interesting Wink
 
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Reply #19 - Nov 8th, 2003 at 1:52pm

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Rodger that Mikey, I just dont want to intrude, and I will always at least try to post where it's proper.
Thanks, I got some photos, from NASA, and when I get home from work today I'll refromat/resize and show'em to ya, yeah they are interesting huh? That thing was a real bugger to handle with the shuttle on it's back too, not to mention the engine failure that happened 5 min. into the flight and got Diverted to Cuba of all places for repairs. Shocked
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Reply #20 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 1:14am

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Grin

   Getting back on Subject,  I remember my brother
   Building an SST model painted in the old Branniff Prototype  Colors that was strange looking. Of course the public killed it here in the US.

 
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Reply #21 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 8:34am

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Hmm, lol
 
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Reply #22 - Nov 28th, 2003 at 1:57pm

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The SIA/BA concorde was a joint operation between (geuess...) BA and SIA. The concorde flew from Heathrow to Bahrein, refuelled there and did a supersonic run to singapore.

The Indian air authorities agreed with supersonic overflights of their country, but Malaysia complained about the noise.
The last was used as an argument to cancel the service after a few flights.
The concorde was repainted into 50/50 BA/SIA(old colors, yellow instead of gold)
 

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Reply #23 - Nov 29th, 2003 at 6:08am

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Ah, yes i read about that. A BA paint is on the starboard side and SA on port.
 
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Reply #24 - Dec 8th, 2003 at 9:02pm

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Quote:
it travels 1,450 mph....hehe Smiley


Twice the speed of sound or at the speed of a bullet, brother 8)

SadGot it off PROJET Concorde website . . . Grin
 

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